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langhaar · Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: Deutsch Langhaar or GLP ?

Owners of Longhairs in the US have now split into 2 groups, those who want to test under JGHV regulations and those who don't want to do a sharpness test which is compulsory for DVL breeding programmes. Both groups contain the same original bloodlines .

The Deutsch Langhaar Club Nord Amerika are suggesting Longhairs not tested to JGHV can only be called German Longhaired Pointers whilst those who do are Deutsch Langhaars.

I have asked if toughness testing in the US is legal. Does one test differenciate what is a DL or a GLP?

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A van der Sluis · Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:11 pm Post subject:

The priority of breeders from GLP/DL should be breeding healthy FCI standard hunting dogs. The testing from the hunting skills of the breed is in every country different.
Thats not the problem, because if you breed responsebly hunting dogs, you test them. Also the so called GLP can do the same test as the so called DL.
In my knowledge that two breeds are the same but we people are making the difference. In Germany they make no difference between my dogs and their own. We are member of a German club but we test mostly in Holland.

langhaar · Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 2:45 pm Post subject:

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langhaar · Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 8:17 am Post subject:

chiendog · Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 116 **Breed:**

As far as I know, world wide kennel clubs are not in the business of policing language.

I do not know what more I can do to explain a fairly simple concept. I apologize if I have be unable to clarify the issues.

Perhaps you should contact a few breeders of Drahthaars in the US* and ask them if they breed GWP's (or vice versa). My guess is that the majority of them will tell you that, no, they do not breed GWP's, they breed Drahthaars (or vice versa). Similarily, Kurzhaar breeders and breeders of French Britannies will very likely tell you that they do not breed GSP's or Brittanies. If by doing so they are in violation of some kind of "world wide kennel club" linguistic policy, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't give a rat's ass about it.

Now that there are two clubs for the GLP/DL in the US, it looks like they will also use language to draw the line in the sand between the two types of dogs that will inevitably diverge within the larger context of the breed.

*I've noted lately that even in the UK different words/names are used by some to differentiate between DD's and GWP's for example.

...Kasey (a German Wirehaired Pointer but son of Mirko, a true Drahthaar) has gone ahead and on point on a pheasant in the bracken. Pauline ( a young Drahthaar) is being encouraged by me to close in gradually. From the website of "Deutsch Drahthaar UK www.drahthaar.co.uk

And here is an explanation of the differences between the DD and GWP. If the words GLP and DL were put in place of GWP and DD, pretty much the same argument could be made for differentiating them.

http://www.drahthaar.co.uk/articl...haar-or-german-wirehaired-pointer
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A van der Sluis · Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 3:14 pm Post subject:

By the way there are 5 types of DL/GLP not two.

You can read about that on my Website.

chiendog · Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 116 **Breed:**

Nice website! Very interesting.

I saw a few of this type in the trials in Holland and France:

Ad 5. This was a lightly built dog, high on the leg, elegant with a deep chest. He was the typical field trial dog - fast, covering a lot of ground. He was a remarkable dog with an excellent nose and was often successful in finding game when other dogs failed.

I saw two of this type in Germany, and one in Quebec:

Ad 2. The Jobs were heavy and squatly dogs, they had crying eyes and a little more hair than necessary.. Not fast, but with a brilliant nose, passion on sweat, ans sharp. The Job-type has many mass with a heavy head and slow movements.
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langhaar · Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 4:07 pm Post subject:

Why should there be 2 " types " just because 1 has been called a GLP and the other a DL. Are you suggesting the USA is producing shorts and wires that are so diverse in original type they are now considered to be 2 seperate breeds. If that's the case make it legitimate, not word of mouth.

The Large Munsterlanders US don't call themselves with their German definition of size although they test JGHV. Neither would I suggest LM breeders worldwide who don't test this way are now breeding dogs far removed from the country of origin. In my own experience talking to DL breeders worldwide who don't test JGHV none have diluted looks ,characteristics or instinct . They remain what they are DL's. As in every breed world wide there are exceptions. There are incompetent breeders everywhere.

Annie considers there remains to this day 5 types of Longhairs because there were 5 foundation sires. Larry has read the pedigrees of original Longhair litters from the early 1900's when he visited the Beverfoerde's in Germany whose great , great grandmother Helene was instrumental in the foundation of this breed with Scorlemer- Alst. At not time did they suggest there are 5 distinct types of longhairs. Neither in the Merx book also. German breeding policy is outcrossing.