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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:20 am    Post subject: Dutch GLP and setters Reply with quote

I've been reading on an American board that the Dutch GLP is a bit more "setterish" than a German GLP (presumably due to an outcross at some point?) does anyone know if there is any truth to this?

Edited because my memory is crap!!! Originally said Large Munsty
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are there any photos anywhere?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The LM's that I see on our trials, are all dogs from German lines. I do know they've used Setters for the GLP's though.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Embarassed Looks like I've done it again.... Embarassed

Mar's entirely correct I meant GLP!

Was it sanctioned by the breed club Mar or is an unofficial out-cross? Out of curiosity how would people know about an unofficial out-cross, could it just be sour grapes that somebody is successfully breeding something a bit different?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone knows it, but everyone keeps their mouth shut. The ones who do open their mouth, don't get any further with it.
I believe that you can see wrong colours quite often, from these lines.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is that because it would be difficult / hard to prove? Are the breeders of these lines well respected? Do these lines do well in field trials / competition? Any idea of the motivation?

Sorry for all the questions, just seems a bit of an odd concept! I wonder what the motivation was...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am sure that lanhaar would know the answers to this?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is that because it would be difficult / hard to prove? Are the breeders of these lines well respected? Do these lines do well in field trials / competition? Any idea of the motivation?

Sorry for all the questions, just seems a bit of an odd concept! I wonder what the motivation was...


The motivation is success on trials.
It is not difficult to prove, it's common knowlegde really. Offspring of these lines are good looking dogs with a lot of potential.
I'm not sure, but I think this breeder is someone with a lot of influence. Could be one of the reasons everyone keeps their mouth shut. I don't know. I just saw offspring of these lines are exported to England as well.....
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I reckon that mixing up L.M. and GLP was a mistake with intent Mike Exclamation Laughing Laughing
I'm sure Langhaar can answer with her usual wealth of knowledge on the subject of Setter x GLP = Dutch GLP. Or maybe the formular should read
Setter x Brown Large Munsterlander = Dutch LongHair Idea Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There have been morphological changes to breed type because of the topography and hunting styles in the Lowlands. Their trials are like our SP Tests where birds are wild and are not replenished by reared stock if they are shot, our Dutch friend will be much more knowlegable about this than myself. I have only seen video's.
They use this breed purely as a bird dog, in the country of origin it remains a versatile dog.
Are there 2 types of GLP in the UK, YES.
Larry going to the HZP's in Germany next week, does anyone want anything bringing over?


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