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A van der Sluis · Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:41 am Post subject: Inbreed or not.

What is your opinion about inbreeding and how high is good.
My opinion is that inbreed should be less then 4%.
You must have very good reasons to make a combination with more then 10 % in breeding.

Annie

DesO'Neile · Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:08 pm Post subject:

A van der Sluis · Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:07 am Post subject:

Its my opinion that for the good health of a breed its very important to consider in each breeding the degree of relationship in thee parents animals in order to avoid doubling up on possible defects in the breed.
Its not only the good things you double up but also the bad things.

weima · Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:49 am Post subject:

A van der Sluis · Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:05 am Post subject:

In my breed it is not a problem to find a dog who is not much related to my dogs.
There are really enough dogs, but you have to search.
Thats why there is now database on line.

My opinion is that I would rather breed with a not related dog.
Two champions is not a garantee for another champion as child

weima · Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:10 am Post subject:

A van der Sluis · Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:22 pm Post subject:

I have once breed close related dogs and have had more problems then the outcross. I use often male dogs who had not a lot of litters.
Or even dogs who have not used before.
But you need to look into the lines and read about the dogs. An visit them before you use it.

weima · Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:24 pm Post subject:

I persoanlly would not use a dog before I had looked into his line/background & also without seeing him. Sometimes it takes me forever to choose a stud dog but I get there in the end!
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DesO'Neile · Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:50 pm Post subject:

All my life I have looked for people who have had success with a view to emulating them. In dogs I follow closely the ideas of Bob Wehele of the world famous Elehew Pointer Kennel. His view is that if you get defective progeny then one of the parents must have been defective. Having said that he would not consider using a dog or bitch to breed unless they had made the grade.You can peruse his ideas for yourself and although Wing and Shot is his better known book Snakefoot, The making of a Champion is his most recent.
It is interesting to note that when looking at the pedigree of a Champion you will quite often find that there are a lot of champions in their lineage. What does that suggest?
Probably the most closely monitored breeding programme in the UK is that of the bovine dairy/beef herd. It may surprise you to know that the most commomly used mating to fix traits is the mother son cross and I believe that genetically you can't get any closer than that.
I have struggled for years with my breeding programme. I know what to do if a mating is a failure but what to do next with a successful litter is a much more thought provoking situation.

windem bang · Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject:

I am not a big time breeder but I have certainly linebred or inbred ,call it what you will. I have never bred from a bitch that was not trial proven, preferably with more than one win.

Where the G.S.P. is concerned I did a lot of homework before arranging that a dog I liked met a bitch I liked ! Then I bought my first pup. She was bred back into the sires side of the mating that produced her. I am now onto my 4th G.S.P. they have all been good workers and disgustingly healthy.

The qualities I look for would all just get thrown into a giant mixing pot along with other qualities ,good and bad ,if an outcross took place.

I ain't gonna fix it till its broke ! Smile

Bill T.

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