DesO'Neile
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A question for the cousins????????????I have been watching a lot of footage on YouTube, all to do with pointing dogs. In general it would appear that in North America the majority of hunters don't either wish to, or are unable to have their dogs steady to wing. The ground usually doesn't seem like the sort of place where you would need a dog to run in to be able to make a retrieve, in fact usually the ground is bare, ideal for retrieving. If you can get onto YouTube search for a clip entitled " A Fistful of Chukars " and you will see what I mean.
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windem bang
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Didn't see the U tube film but I've seen other ones, in one Sinan posted a couple of weeks ago the dogs all ran in too, in Spain I think it was. If we're the odd ones out maybe we're doing it all wrong.What a lot of time and trouble we'd save without steadiness to train for.
Bill T.
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BritAnnie
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But is steadiness not a safety issue?
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windem bang
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It is Annie, it also means the guns have a chance to reload should there be more game in the area. A dog charging in to retrieve could put it up.
Bill T.
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BritAnnie
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So we're the ones that have got it right, then?  AS per usual 
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Ghilliegumdrop
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Like I've said before.......sanctimonious toad 
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DesO'Neile
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Did I miss something?
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Ghilliegumdrop
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Only Annie going on about she is right [as usual]
Jan
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BritAnnie
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Don't worry, Des. Jan and I are best of pals, she just likes slagging me off on here to keep me in my place. Not that I'd want to be in hers anyway
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DesO'Neile
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I have watched a lot more videos since I started this thread and today I watched a very interesting one in that although still in America they seemed to approach the task as we would here in the UK. Two guns to the point etc. but even these folks seemed not to be phased by the dog chasing the flushed bird and made no effort to stop the dog running in. I can therefore onlt surmise that they don't really want the dog steady to wing.
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Mike
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Des,
I was talking to an owner of a Swedish Weimaraner yesterday and may have the answer to your question (or maybe not!)
In Sweden at least, game is sufficently scarce that they are happy for the dog to run in after the shot to ensure that any cripples end up in the bag rather than lost. I have no idea if this is the case in the videos you mention but when he mentioned it I was reminded of your question.
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windem bang
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Does anyone know if this running-in thing applies only to the ordinary hunters dogs or does it also apply to those used, for example, by triallers, such as those who compete in what are called "meat dog trials." I have seen these trials mentioned in literature but have very little idea of what actually occurs in them.
I have a feeling that as far as the ordinary foreign hunter is concerned they just cant be bothered training for steadiness - no surprise there, many of our rough- shooters pay little heed to steadiness training either. The lab or spaniel owning rough- shooters dont anyway.
Bill T.
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