Accredited Breeder Scheme

langhaar · Accredited Breeder Scheme

So far I have resisted registering into this scheme. I hip score eye test and prove our dogs in the ring and the field before breeding and do natural ability testing on stock if owners want to breed.

There are now 3 accolades on offer, 1 if you are a member of breed clubs 2 If you have bred 5 litters and 3 3 Stud Book entries which can only be achieved with CC breeds unless thro FT's Obedience and Working Trials for rare breeds.

Are there any members who are in this scheme and what was their motive for registering.Was it purely altruistic ?

Tracy

Im a member but only joined has I was doing everything they require anyway, but I dont like the accolade system, anyone can be a member of a breed club, have only bred 5 litters in 25 years and only 2 under my kennel name so others dont count, only one stud book number as most of dogs I have bred have gone to working/pet homes so not shown. Also think the KC should be more strict on registering even though you have a dog hip scored and it is well above the standard for your breed you can still breed from it and the KC will register puppies.

Tracy

sashalgwps

I agree with that Tracy, I think the accolade scheme is all wrong. Anyone can breed/register 5 litters it proves very little. I also don't like the fact the litters are still being registered from bitches who have had 2 litters within 12 mths etc. Plus as you say the results of the health tests do not appear to be relevant to whether or not litters are registered.

On the other hand I think certainly in GWPs the breed mean hip score means very little as so few GWPs have ever been hip scored.

I fully support the idea in principle I just think it needs some 'tweaking' for it to really relate to 'Accredited Breeders'

JMO
Alex

weima

I am a member as I already did the required health tests but I agree it needs tweaking.

Like Alex says anyone can breed 5 or more litters & in some cases it isn't something to be proud of.

I have worked with dogs for many years & was a kennle mamgaer for a successful kennel whereby I whelped bitches, mated stud dogs, showed the dogs successfully yet none of this is taken into consideration when on the ABS. I have more experience than someone who is new to a breed but has a few breeding bitches who have been mated etc etc.

I think there is an awful lot of work that still needs to be done with the scheme but I am not sure if the KC listen.

However, I do get a lot of phone calls for puppies and the public do seem to be aware of the scheme. There are some people on the scheme who shouldn't be IMO but that is by the by

langhaar

The HVS has recently expelled 2 members for breaching their breeding code.Do you think this will also be a positive step forward provided those who have made this decision have kept to their code?

Will ABS registration be affected by those members who have been expelled from their breed club?

langhaar

weima

weima

Tracy

GWP accredited breeders have to hip score, without this KC wont register the puppies but non accredited breeders dont have to hip score.

Tracy

sashalgwps

BritAnnie

Yes, Hip Scoring is a requirement for an AB if it is on the list for their breed(s), and I think it is on a lot of breeds requirements.
I joined for the same reasons as the others - I was doing all the necessary anyway. It hasn't made any difference to puppy enquiries though but there are never many for Brittanys anyway. I only breed when I have a pretty full list and want a pup myself too. I haven't made any enquiries about these accolades although I'd probably qualify for some of them.
I agree there are some in the ABS that shouldn't be but the KC are gradually weeding them out - as are the HMRC! I agree the scheme needs tweaking but we had to start somewhere and I doubt if any scheme in any sphere gets off the ground without some teething problems! It can only get better and the more responsible people who join the scheme the better it will be for all dogs.

langhaar

Many thanks for your replies. They have persuaded me to think I should join.

Very Happy

tashap

I'm a member and already do way above the requirements of the scheme. I felt it was important to support a scheme like this IF it has the teeth to stop people behaving badly.

I have to say I do not like the accolades either they are not specific for starters especially regarding breed clubs because if you have more than one breed you could be registered with a different breed from the one you are breeding from and some have differing controls over breeding so for an example the WCGB you can only have three litters from a bitch where as other weim clubs don;t have any restrictions at all Shocked

so I would like to see a more indepth breeder profile so people can make a proper informed decision.

I don;t like the idea that they are encouraging more litters because responsible breeders as far as I am concerned don't breed vast quantities of dogs, I suppose they see it as the more you have bred the more experience you have.

I do like the fact that your puppy owners have an opportunity to send in feedback on you as a breeder and it can be anonomous but I would like to see that feedback listed on your breeder profile so if you are good or bad buyers can see, I'd also like to see buyers being able to revisit that feedback at say 3 or 5 years+ because most that need additional support for health or behavioural will be within these periods and will have had a chance to contact their breeders for help. Its all well and good saying you'll give support, signing an agreement to say you'll give support and then actually doing it. I'd like to see rescue being allowed to give feedback as well on breeders who are not rehoming their stock as this is part of the scheme agreements.

The KC are currently in the process of recruiting the equivalent of homecheckers to make sure that a standard is maintained on members in the scheme. I think it will be worth a little more once everyone in the scheme has been evaluated thats not to say that kennel breeders should be hit only that puppy farmers and those keeping their dogs in filthy conditions should not be allowed to keep their AB status.

Personally I hope this is rolled out to everyone who registers a dog with the KC and the additional funds that they are making out of the scheme are removed... otherwise it could be deemed just another money making scheme under the guise of improving dog breeding.

johnhod

Greyghost

weima

Greyghost

Alkemist

I'm on the Accreditted Breeder Scheme and I am on it because I was already doing what was required. I literally had to just fill in the form and woo hoo we were there.

I also thought it might have been a step towards responsible breeders being identified but I don't like these accolades at all. It's not about having lots of litters, and it shouldn't be a bad thing to have less bitches or litters.

I also think it's ridiculous to get hung up on the number of litters a bitch has had, it should be number of pups or at least a combination of number of pups and number of litters.

Whatever the scheme it isn't going to suit everyone, but I believed it to be a step in the right direction.

Nina

weima

tashap

Les as Claire pointed out I am a member of a club that doesn't have any restrictions on breeding but I adher to the WCGB codes of conduct. Its a difficult situation in some respects because dependant on how the accolades are treated by the KC in future it could have an impact on some breeders.

There are several for example who have had their membership revoked because they have bred more than the 3 acceptable litters of the WCGB but have adhered to the number set out by the WA for example. Adhering to either you are still not in breach of the KCs 6 litters which personally I think is too much for a single bitch especially in a popular breed with good numbers available.

The accolades as they stand at the moment are too general.