another slovak up for rehoming - 20 months old

Louilou · another slovak up for rehoming - 20 months old

2nd one this month

http://www.dogsey.com/showthread.php?p=1459873#post1459873

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josie

All I can say is:

If anyone is thinking of getting a pup, please research breeders thoroughly.

A responsible breeder will take back a dog at any age if it is unwanted, and especially will take back a young pup.

A responsible breeder will vet homes, will ask prospective owners endless questions so that pups are unlikely to bounce back from them, because they were carefully chosen homes in the first place.

A responsible breeder will have a long-term breeding plan and will breed with the long-term development of the breed in mind - especially given that this is a breed new to the UK and with a limited number of dogs in the UK, a responsible breeder won't breed several litters a year using the same gene pool. They will also be keen to place the pups they do breed in working homes, to get the future of the breed into the hands of working owners, and not into the hands of unvetted pet owners who are likely to breed indiscriminately.

Sigh. Sad

weimardan · another one ?????

Another one ????
Where was the first???
I have emailed Mike Heap with details of this one.

Claire

Given there aren't too many slovak breeders in this country surely they would be easy enough to track down ? Although I see in the link that whilst the owner doesn't have any papers he seems to know which kennel the dog has come from Sad

Silly question coming but why doesn't that slovak look as hairy as other slovaks that I've seen?

I really hope he finds his forever home soon Sad

josie

The coats are still variable - some of them are too hairy, some too fluffy (rather than wiry), some too short.

Louilou

Denise - There was a previous female pup 10 days older than Grey from Stormdancer who was also advertised on the gundogforum as up for rehome from 15 weeks.

Her owner posted as Sagelady on dogsey and the gundog forum.

I had informed Mick of both these.

http://www.dogsey.com/showthread.php?t=60610&page=7

This current pup seems to be rehomed twice now?

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Claire

Has anyone contacted Stormdancer to let them know? Perhaps she is not aware of a dog she has bred is in the need of rehoming ?

Louilou

It's a bit weird. The owner reckons he got the pup from Stormdancer after the previous owners were leaving him tied up all day. Sad

But then he doesn't have any papers with the dog. It would be far better for this pup to be found a forever working home. He sounds like he's been left outside to his own devices all day. The owner says he has very high energy levels. I wonder if this is because he has no routine, no company etc.

This is the second dog this month that seems not to have been taken back to the breeder.

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Lisa

What is wrong with people? Rolling Eyes

If the owner says they are from Stormdancer then where are the papers? Confused

Louilou

I really don't know what's up with people either. Crying or Very sad

One thing for sure, he ain't a happy pup at the moment.

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Helen

BenB

Sad news.

chiendog

Mike

I think I've mentioned a couple of times that you need variation in the wirehair coats to get the good coats. IIRC the "perfect" coat isn't homozygous which would mean it breeds true but rather requires both the dominant gene AND the recessive (something to do with it being a modifier) and as result you can't get the trait to breed true.

My terminology may be a little way off but I think that makes sense.

Helen

I thought it was created in the 60s so slightly older.

Helen

Louilou

I thought it was created as a breed in the 1950s.

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chiendog

There are actually a number of dates than can be given for the "beginning" of the breed. To me, it is in the 1970's when the name Slovak Rough-haired Pointer was adopted and a more systematic, club based approach to breeding began. However, it could be argued that the breed was developed as early as the 1950's or as late as the 1980's or even that it is still a work in progress with crosses to other breeds still occuring.

The first crossings of Weims, Fouseks and Drahthaars were done just after the second world war b a Mr. Koloman Slimak. By the 1950's the so-called "wirehaired Weimaraner" was declared. In 1975 the name was changed from hrubosrstý weimarský stavač (wirehaired Weimaraner Pointer) to Slovenský hrubosrstý stavač (wirehaired or roughhaired Slovakian Pointer). By the early 1980's the breed as we know it today was established and grouped into three different (more or less) unrelated lines. FCI approval was granted and the official breed standard adopted in 1982.

In 2005, a reintroduction of the three founding breeds (Weim, Fousek, Drahthaar) began. It continues to this day. I have seen dogs from this line. The best of them were absolutely outstanding.

josie

What line is that, Craig? Don't they have letters, to distinguish them?

chiendog

I'm not sure if the lines have letters or numbers or how they designate them. Dr. Dostal, the well known Cesky Fousek expert explained to me how the 7 Fousek lines are arranged, by letter, and how they use them in the overall program. I will ask Michal Urban about the various Slovak lines.

tashap

I had a very worrying conversation with an owner of a Slovak recently, he;s a pet owner and seemed the think that buying in a bitch and breeding up a few litters, then dumping the bitch was an acceptable thing to do as the breed is new to the country... I have to say I was appauld.

Louilou

Is this someone who has now set themselves up as a breeder then? It doesn't sound good.

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tashap

I am hoping I put him off... but he did seem quite determined and focused on the £700 per pup rather that the actual costs to breed and raise a litter.

MC

I'm so sorry to be reading of a new working breed going downhill so fast.

tashap

sadly I think it may have gotten into the wrong hands in the first place... new breed needs diversity and careful monitoring of stock and health I am not sure that this is what the breed is getting.

another slovak up for rehoming - 20 months old

another one ?????