Ghilliegumdrop
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Bill and Shows [or not as the case may be]Just to let you all know that 'Bill' has chickened out of showing Buck 
He is saying and I quote 'Buck is in such hard working condition that no judge would look at him' In other words we need to make him grovel  Had he even sent off an entry form I ask myself  Is this a devious ploy to go to a show but make sure that none of us lot are there to witness his shame  All is revealed on the Gundog Training Forum down in writing if you want to confirm the shame of it 
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Claire
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I would suggest he enter another open show on Sunday 1st March, same venue (Jack Kane Centre in Edinburgh). It is run by East of Scotland Canine Club and the judge is an A panel FT judge - Anne Johnson of Maplehaze GWPs. Absolutely no excuse now me finks 
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newbie
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Well im sure he definately asked David Todd at ringcraft for a schedule but did he fill it out or not well that is the question 
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newbie
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Maybe we should kidnap him Claire lol
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Lisa
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Oh Bill!! Kidnapping is a good idea!! Make him show against his will!! Surely there is no law against that!!  Or do you mean kidnap Buck
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Bareve
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How can he refuse to enter under Anne who is one of our original F/T people in GWP's and has owned Weimars for a long time (before she changed over to the Wirehairs). She for one would appreciate a dog in hard condition as her dogs are flat out once the grouse moors get going.
Come on Bill - you've got to keep your end of the deal......
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Claire
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I never knew she used to own weimars!! Or did I and I've forgotten? Oh gawd, heed up @rse today
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Greyghost
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BritAnnie
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That was a very Scottish expression for a Geordie
I think one of us should kidnap Bill and another kidnap Buck and keep them apart till they both agree to entering a show.
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Ghilliegumdrop
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First you have to catch him 
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BritAnnie
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Oh, I'll catch him all right!
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Claire
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| BritAnnie wrote: | | That was a very Scottish expression for a Geordie |
haha not likely! Heed is also geordie slang for head! I might have been living up here for 13 years but I'm definitely not Scottish
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Claire
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Should have said that the differences are:
Scottish slang is "ma heed"
Geordie slang is "me heed"
translated poshly into "my head"
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josie
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I think Plan A is: Someone enter him and fake his signature.
Plan B is: Someone else show Buck, so at least we get his dog in the show ring if not himself!
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Claire
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I would be happy to show Buck, he is a nice dog, but the plan is to see Bill in the ring! Preferably wearing a kilt
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guy
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I think the best way forward would be to offer a trade off. Bill - a non show person is going to enter a show then a non trial person should offer to enter a trial.
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Ghilliegumdrop
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Guy....keep up That is why we were seeing Bill in the ring [or not etc etc] Clare went in a trial and Bill was going to show Buck except he has now chickened out Naughty naughty boy....that's his privileges withheld for an unspecified period. Let Big U know not to talk to him
PS It's noticable that he hasn't come on here and made his excuses Very quiet he's being
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Lisa
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mmm yes he is being very quiet!! maybe he has packed his things and gone into hiding!!
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BritAnnie
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Well he's not hiding very far away - only in Buck's Diary - he's just avoiding us
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Lisa
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Chicken!!
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munstyman
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I thought all you girls were pre-programmed to know how to change a mans mind....have a word with his other half
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cressy
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| guy wrote: | | I think the best way forward would be to offer a trade off. Bill - a non show person is going to enter a show then a non trial person should offer to enter a trial. |
That deal was done when Claire entered her first trial with Whistle!! I think Bill is backing off a done deal and that is just wrong!!
Mugi would like to point out (as he feels he and Bill have a connection so he can try shame him into action) that Buck will obviously adore showing as he does - why not stand there expecting to be admired and fed sausage at the same time , tis a tad boring but for food it is worth it .
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Lisa
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Blu can certainly second that Sue!!
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windem bang
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Sorry folks , I just came across this thread a moment ago. It very rarely even occurs to me to look at "Conformation" on this or any other forum. It could have been missed by me altogether !
I gave my word and I will keep it. I will show Buck and unless there is a good reason not to I will do it myself. After all, Claire ran her own dog in the trial so fairs, fair.
Buck is a mass of muscles and bone right now - and that's just his head ! He has a very distinct bald patch ,about the size of a ten pence piece on top of his tail about halfway along it. I have no idea what caused this - would it matter in a show ?
I will need a lot more tuition than I am getting at present. I have been to one ringcraft class and not even David who is very good and very patient with me can train me in just a one hour training class !
If I am going to do this I am going to do my best. I don't mind making a fool of myself but I refuse to make a fool of Buck because I haven't tried hard enough.
He isn't used to being "gone over" and I am not used to "stacking" a dog.
I noticed in Davids class that I had bother moving fast enough to make Buck have the correct stride etc. There is nothing I can do about that. Popping my clogs with a heart attack in a showring would be about the last way I'd choose to go !
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While on the subject of showing, Annie ,I have a couple of books belonging to Guy - can you get them down to him when you attend a show or a Brittany function ? If so - when ?
Thanks
Bill T.
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tashap
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oo I love a man who keeps his word they are few and far between. Have to say what a wonderful opportunity for a show judge to see a proper working dog in working condition as well will put the others in the ring to shame!!
Good luck Bill... you know expanding tummy or not I think this might be worth dragging my bottom up north with a camera.
PS I have a pair of decent skates your welcome to borrow if you need a bit of extra ummph to get around the ring 
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josie
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Bill, I'm sure Claire or Annie or someone would love to give you some ringcraft lessons
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newbie
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You could always get someone else to run him in the ring Bill and you can just stack him  ,im sure there will be plenty willing to help.
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Greyghost
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I can see Bill's point about him not being agile enough to show Buck off at his best but then again we never said you had to win Bill
Good luck .
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BritAnnie
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| Quote: | While on the subject of showing, Annie ,I have a couple of books belonging to Guy - can you get them down to him when you attend a show or a Brittany function ? If so - when ?
Thanks
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I'll be flying down for the AGM next month, Bill. We'll make arrangements for you to give me a battering over the lack of progress in Allez's training and the books to be handed over along with a crash course in stacking Buck. I can easily run him for you - I still have enough puff for Hester so I'll manage Buck. I could come over to your ring craft class if you like- just say when and where? Is it David Todd you are talking about?
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BritAnnie
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Right girls - we have him cornered
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newbie
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It is David Todd, the class is on holiday just now but should be starting up again pretty soon Trish phoned him the other day to find out when but he wasnt sure soon i hope the only problem with the class is the venue not the biggest of halls for a gundog but it is only 2 mins away from me.
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BritAnnie
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Hi newbie - can I have a post code for my TomTom please?
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Lisa
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Yey! way to go Anne!!
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BritAnnie
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I'll get him entering a show yet! He has been at shows a number of times before, (and Dale too!) just not with a dog in tow! So not a hugey step for him, the biggest step is getting him in the ring. Can I have an assurance from everyone that they will NOT laugh at him once we get him in there? Buck is worth it in my opinion.
Annie
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newbie
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I have no idea of the post code but can give you directions its in Uphall Station if you know where that is.
Kerry
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windem bang
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Yes David Todd. I think there's a class on tonight. I may go to it if I can get my fat ass out of this chair !
Bill T.
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windem bang
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Oops ! Just read the rest of this page ! Not much sense in me going if it isn't on !
Bill T.
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newbie
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Will try and find out when its starts up again
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BritAnnie
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Only been in the area 9 months so haven't a clue where Uphall station is - I know where Oatridge college is - that's near Uphall isn't it? A post code would be good.
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windem bang
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Uphall Station is at the S.W. end of Broxburn. It is probably less than 10 minutes drive from my house. David Todd has been very encouraging every time I have spoken to him. It is a small hall but the tuition is good - probably first rate for all I know about it !
Bill T.
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newbie
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The good thing about going to David he tells you exactly what he thinks and isnt shy in telling you which is what you want, as i said before the hall isnt the best size for gundogs but it does the job
Kerry
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newbie
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Just spoke to Trish who has just spoken to David and training starts next Thursday .
Kerry
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BritAnnie
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David is a good handler himself and has a quiet way with him so I imagine he is good at ring craft. I can come along next Thursday, Bill, to hold your hand while you show Buck! Then I can keep you up to scratch (to get my own back on you!) Only joking - you know I appreciate all you've told me. I assume 7.30 unless I hear otherwise. Might take one of the girls - how much cash do I need with me? Is it actually in the station?
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newbie
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you go into Uphall Station 1st left is the train station you turn 2nd left the hall is on the right next to the chinese its only a couple of £,im sure Bill will direct you better if needed.
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windem bang
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You already have my post code on your thingy Annie. If in doubt just get to my house and then follow me to the hall.
Bill T.
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josie
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I think this needs videoing and youtube-ing for those of us who can't be there....
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windem bang
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BOG OFF!
Bill T.
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windem bang
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The folk from down the hill do a bit of showing, I'm told that stacking a dog is a doddle . One hand clamps onto the dogs lower jaw while the thumb [or index finger for small breeds] of the other hand is pushed firmly up the dogs rear orifice. Apparently this is most efficacious in making the dog stand rigidly . ...............or perhaps, they too , are taking the piss !
Bill T.
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Ghilliegumdrop
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I have found that stroking a dog's [male] dangly bits will keep him still......unfurtunately it tends to put a goofy look on their faces Bit like you at the sight of Big U Bill
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BritAnnie
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Don't anyone tell Bill, but my phone has a very good digital camera on it! and it does videos too!
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BritAnnie
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| windem bang wrote: | You already have my post code on your thingy Annie. If in doubt just get to my house and then follow me to the hall.
Bill T. |
I downloaded the new TomTom maps and it killed all my previous destinations - damn pest as I ahd all the dog shows and good training areas in as favourites! So can you pm me again please Bill
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Helen
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lol, good on you Bill! Make sure you get in the ring this time
I did well under Anne Johnson with Teal. She was in good, working condition and she appreciated that. I have a friend who lives on the estate where she works her dogs. If you are going to enter a show, enter under her!
Helen
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windem bang
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I am pleased to read that some judges know what a work-fit dog looks like. I had gained the impression that I would have to put about 6 to 8 pounds of weight onto Buck to make him look ready for the ring. At present I can see every rib he's got ! He is being fed twice a day to get some more food into him but he runs it off the next time he's out !
Once the season ends he will put on a couple of pounds but not at the moment !
Bill T.
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langhaar
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The GSP judge at SKC this year knows perfectly well what a work fit dog would look like, he has won FT awards with his own GSP's.
So no excuse for not showing there Bill
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BritAnnie
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Didn't go to ringcraft - Club books still not finished, sorry, Bill, to leave you on your own
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newbie
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Bill didnt go either
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windem bang
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 I remembered last night that it was on but I forgot tonight ! I'd sack my events secretary but she's making my supper at the moment !
Bill T.
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Ghilliegumdrop
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I knew there was a reason for this post
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newbie
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never mind its on next week again Bill
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josie
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Yeah yeah yeah Bill. You could think of a more original excuse than "I forgot it was on"!
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Ghilliegumdrop
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I rest my case
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Lisa
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Oh Bill!! Now don't go blaming your events manager!! I'm sure she would have something to say about it!!
There's always next week Bill!
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Ghilliegumdrop
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And the week after that and the one after that and so on and so forth
Anyway I have decided to start a book on whether or not Bill gets to show Buck this year
At the moment the odds are 1000 to 1 against
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Lisa
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johnhod
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I'll have a fiver on that. Split the winning with you Bill
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Ghilliegumdrop
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I'm not that daft.....the 1 is my side of the bet
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windem bang
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I have said I would and I will so I will happily accept all bets as to me not doing a show. I have my priorities and I prefer to use my energies for shooting rather than showing but when the season ends I should be able to think of other things than shoots.
The other good news is that the cocker shooting and trialling season goes on for much longer - there are still trials - not tests - in March !!! I'm so glad I got a cocker !
I will show Buck but maybe not for a month or two yet. I do want to get him used to being handled etc. by others . He is very friendly so that shouldn't be a problem. Stacking a dog is what I can't get my head around. Why would anyone who knows dogs need to see one stacked ?
I don't like stacking Buck ,it is undignified for both man and dog.
Bill T.
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windem bang
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For the last couple of weeks I have been getting ready for the show season ! With the aid of a large funnel and a broomstick handle I have been packing grub down Bucks gullet. He now has a covering of flesh and a little fat over the muscle and bone !
The little baldy bit on his tail has been dosed with hair restorer but it doesn't work any better on him than it does on me ! 
I still haven't got around to stacking him but I hope to be taking him to the ringcraft classes tonight.
The day of his show debut looms ever closer ! 
Bill T.
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Ghilliegumdrop
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Good luck Bill..........we will all be thinking of you [and sniggering up our sleeves ]
A couple of tips;
1 Don't attempt to bribe the judge with the odd bottle of whiskey [most of them prefer 50 year old brandy]
2 If it's a lady judge, don't say you think she has nice legs, nice boobies or is a Big U look a like and can she meet you behind the bike shed afterwards for a bit of 'hows your father'
2a ditto if it's a man judge [in which case wear your trousers or don't bend down in front of him]
3 Don't tell the judge that you can train their dog to stand like Buck
4 Make sure that your kilt doesn't flap in Buck's eyes thus making his movement suspect, that is, of course, presuming the judge will be looking at Buck's movement [see 2a above] as you trot away from him
I am sure there are more that somebody can post for you so that you don't make any mistakes.
Jan
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lagopuslagopus
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I've got to go to Crufts Bill which I think is the worst show of all (as Helen has entered Ekko in the FT class) - especially when you hate the showing bit! We're going to the HPRBA ringcraft session for a lesson with Sharon on the way back from shooting on the Saturday.
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newbie
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Maybe see you at training tonight then bill
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BritAnnie
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Sorry, can't come tonight. No1 son is here getting jobs doen taht Ic an't do myself.
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johnhod
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| Quote: | | getting jobs doen taht Ic an't do myself. |
Like typing?
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windem bang
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Annies as p*$$*d as a newt !
I went to the classes . Buck enjoys it . Folk to play about with his wobbly bits while other folk stuff him with livercake ! Great joy at both ends.
I appear to have made a boo-boo. I have been in the habit of keeping Buck steady as I approached his points by very quietly saying " Wait - wait." I thought it would be of use to stop him prancing about while at the stand during the ringcraft classes. I used it tonight and he at once went on point ! It would seem that I have trained him to point on command !
I know another bloke who has done that and used it in a trial ............ He won !!!
I was standing beside two ladies who were discussing the finer points of their G.W.H.Pointers. Not wishing to appear unfriendly I joined in the conversation. " I've got one of them at home." I said. " What ! " said one of the ladies , " A Wiry ???" ........ "Yes ," I said ," I use it for cleaning the limescale out of the kettle !"
Well I thought it was funny !
Bill T.
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Ghilliegumdrop
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Daft bat So, are you admitting that it wasn't as bad as you thought it would be then
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newbie
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I can confirm that both dog and handler did very well even in the very cramped and hot hall
(Bill did threaten to strip down to his braces at one point but thankfully it was home time by then )
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josie
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We need photographic evidence!!
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Ghilliegumdrop
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I take it he wasn't wearing his kilt then
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Lisa
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Yey! well done Bill and Buck!!
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BritAnnie
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I can vouch for himHe was there! Proof below. No Buck, as he was observing to see what he was supposed to do. He chatted to a few folk, got probably about 10 different answers to his questions, and believe it or not stayed till about 2.30pm - I'm sure he won't admit it but he may even have enjoyed the company and friendship, if not watching the dogs being shown.
One shows Bill about to stuff the standard show bacon buttie into his mouth the other he is - Hmmm .............. Pensive, deep in thought, concentrating, or just plain bored - anybody want to guess?
BA
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Claire
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It was nice to see Bill today and looking so well too! Just goes to show what giving up the fags can do for you I was somewhat surprised at the length of time he stayed but then I think the bacon butties did help a tad
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josie
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Excellent!!!!!!!!!
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newbie
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As did the cream meringue
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windem bang
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You lot will get me hung ! I'm supposed to be on a diet ! If Dale finds out that 2 bacon rolls and bloody big cream meringue went down my throat I'll get killed - twice ! 
My impressions of the show were that not much has changed among the lab and goldie people - or the spaniel folk.
The closest to working type were the H.P.R.'s and the flatcoats.
Bill T.
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Ghilliegumdrop
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So what's it worth for me not to tell her
Must say that I agree with you Bill re some of the gundog breeds.....the labradors look like Pot Bellied Pigs
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BritAnnie
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I think we are all agreed on that. I don't think there are many people trying to both work and show except HPR folk, maybe the odd one or two - Carole Coode does a lot with her labs but they don't really look half as bad as the majority of labs in the show ring. There are a few others out with the HPR world who do both too.
We won't tell Dale about the butties and cream cake- will we peeps????
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Claire
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Norty Kerry and here was me keeping the cream meringue a secret
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Lisa
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See Bill, it's worth going to shows if not just for the bacon butties!!
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newbie
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well thought i should get in first before he let it slip about the brie and redcurrant croissant i had
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munstyman
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| Quote: | | he is - Hmmm .............. Pensive, deep in thought, concentrating, or just plain bored - anybody want to guess? |
If he's like me, the first half hour I'm usually catching up on gossip.
The next half hour I'm paying attention ( puppies and novice classes) looking at the breeds future, and seeing if anything catches my eye
There after, I've usually drifted off and remembering doing things with my dogs that I have done, should of done or need to do
If I'm actually got a dog to show, then this latter phase is interupted by me asking someone close by which class is this every so often so I don't miss my entry ( and if I'm lucky, get to run a comb through the dogs ears to get the burrs out )
Don't worry Bill your not alone
Peter
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windem bang
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| newbie wrote: | | well thought i should get in first before he let it slip about the brie and redcurrant croissant i had |
I did offer, as a true gentleman, to eat Kerrys' croissant for her and to glumly accept the weight gain it would cause me..........but like a true lady she refused my offer and gutsed it herself !
Bill T.
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newbie
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Lisa
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Thats what I like to hear!!
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windem bang
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I haven't been at dog show classes for a couple of weeks - I needed a lot of work done on my car and then it snowed !
I have been trying to train Buck to stand. He doesn't want to. He's O.K. if I just leave him alone to stand how he wants ,if he wants but if I try to shift or lift his feet he sits . He is also becoming treat fixated. He isnt walking ,trotting properly for looking at me for the next treat !
Any suggestions ?
Bill T.
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BritAnnie
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Stop the treats. Be FIRM with him Bill! He's a DAWG!!!!
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windem bang
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He's my baby .........as someone not too far away once said !!!!!!!!!
Dale and I passed by your town yesterday Annie, we were doing a tour following my car getting repaired ! We did about 110 miles .....what's that in terms of petrol money in a 3litre 4x4 ???? It was a bad day !
Bill T.
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BritAnnie
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Only about £21.50 at 23 mpg
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windem bang
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Nae wunner ah dinnae feel too guid !
Bill T.
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BritAnnie
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You should have stopped in by for a cuppa - I was just out at the Dam for an hour in the afternoon.
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newbie
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Annies right stop the treats ,i dont give a treat until they have finished doing the exercise whether it be stand,or running up the hall and yes be firm with him, so will you be gracing us with your presence tonight then ?
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