colotis

mark64 · colotis

Hi all just taken my 6 month old gsp to the vets ,she got colotis ,is it some thing l have done wrong for her to get it . he"s given her two jabs and got some tablets

weima

It's nothing you've done chances are she has eaten something that doesn't agree with her.

She should be fed a light diet for a few days like chicken & rice, fish & rice as colitis is the bleeding of the stomach wall. A light diet will help and then gradually reintroduce her normal feed.

What is she normally fed on? It could be this that doesn't agree with her.

Hope she's better soon.

mark64

l feed her on chudleys puppy and nothing ells ,should l be feeding other things

Sillis

Colitis is actually inflammation of the bowel (colon) wall and depending on the type of colitis it can involve the whole digestive system (from mouth thru stomach and into rectum).

If the inflammation is severe enough then bleeding can occur and the dogs faeces will look mucousy and have blood in them - they are also usually not formed but rather like diarrhoea (or at least soft) - due to the bowels inability to reabsorb the liquid content of the digested food because of the inflammation.

In humans this is something that you generally have for life - although it is generally controlled well with medication (and if not an operation is the only way forward)

In dogs colitis can be caused by a number of things...Stress, change in lifestyle, diet, bacteria, worms and other parasites...

It also depends on the type of colitis your dog has - acute (ie: just happened) or chronic (ie: been ongoing for over a month)

I am sure your vet is onto it now - my only suggestion is that if it doesn't clear up in a week or so that you go back to the vet.
If she has always been on that food I doubt it is the cause - unless she has had the Colitis for months.....

Rae
(Gastroenterology/Endoscopy Nurse for 20 years)

mark64

Thanks for that Sillis ,its only just happened so hopefully she will be ok,having said that she's running round the room doing my nut in with toy Laughing

at the mo(what did l spend at vets Shocked

) so she's feeling better , just got to get the tablets down her for the next ten days that will be fun Smile

newbie

My GWP had this when he was a pup he was given a jag and some tablets and was back to normal after a week or so my vet said that he had probably eaten something he shouldnt have which knowing Jack is very possible.

countrygirl

Havent any experiance of this I feed my 5 month old on Chudleys but she is on the Junior I asked Chudley which to feed and they said Juniour as because wirehairs are a larger breed.

Caz

mark64

She's little better today ,was fun giving her tablets Laughing

.May ring Chudleys for more info,do you feed her anything ells ?

BenB

My newest pup had a bout of this - some meds from the vet cleared it up in a couple of days. When we have to give ours tablets, we stuff them in some cheese and lob it at the dogs - they swallow them everytime. Much easier than trying to ram it down the dogs throat! I expect you knew that!!!

countrygirl

Hi Mark

She has a little raw beef/offel mince on her tea time feed, she has been on Junoir since 9 weeks when I got her.

I would give them a ring I found them very helpful when I spoke to them at the game fair.

MY older dog is on Dr Johns silver which I have found good and cheaper but there are loads of food out the to chose form its personl choice and what you can get with ease, I have a good local old fashioned feed merchant that get Chudleys in for me.

Caz

Greyghost

Once the tablets are finished it would be beneficial to get some pro-biotics into her system to replace the gut flora the anti b's have destroyed. Hope she picks up soon.

http://www.denes.co.uk/advice/fact_sheets/probiotic.php

http://www.denes.co.uk/health/herbal_supplements.php#Probiotic

mark64

All tablets done ,and she's ok , Laughing

doing my head in again with her toy lol ,thanks to all

mark64

well back at vets again , with the runs with blood in it , 3 more jabs And more tablets , sleeping down stair with her tonight. Do l change from Chudleys, if so what too?

Greyghost

I'd get them to take some more bloods and check for something that might not be so common.

Chopping and changing foods can just make things worse. Was there any time in her short life she was ok on this diet?

Helen

A friends dog has it and has had it for life. She has had to feed a burns food - some sort of anti allergen one but can't remember which one. I know she also has to watch what treats she gives to her.

What has the vet said about a long term solution? did they say it could be something she's eaten again or is it going to be an ongoing problem?

Helen

Lisa

My Emmy had this when she was very young, she lost alot of weight and looked terrible. I was advised to change her to burns (very slowly) and it worked a treat! She had an intolerance to wheat / gluten. Hope you get it sorted.

Sally

I think its about three weeks since you had the first bout - don't rule out something like giardia - goes in three week odd cycles . One of my boys had it as a youngster, we went through three cycles of this until the problem was sorted. All it took was a dose of Panacur.
Equally it could be a simple bacterial overload that has built up by bringing her back to full feeding too soon?
Have you had a faecal sample taken for something like Campylobacter which is really common. May not be diet - there is a hell of a lot of gastro problems around at the moment.

mark64

hi all, well she's(amber) a little better.Been feeding her rice and chickhen a bit at a time,she has jut had some and been sick,but was ok this morning when she had some, her poo is still runy but no blood now.A freind gave me some james wellbeloved, and she had a few but l tryed her chudleys puppy and she would not have at all,what ells can l feed her to help

Alkemist

Mark, you need to not chop and change foods, if you want to change to a sensitive diet, do so, but it has to be something you can get hold of so that you are not chopping and changing foods. That alone will upset her tum. Ask me how I know .....

I feed Salmon and Potato, used to use Wafcol and now have got Challenge to try, but they are both wheat free and simple diets with not too much there to irritate the dog. There are some good budget dog foods out there but if you find you have to feed your dog a special diet for a sesitive tum then it's worth the extra to upgrade to a better food than keep paying out at the vets.

Even a change in water could have set your dogs tum off, but to even begin to understand what it was you need to help your vet by stabilising her with her food. That is just my opinion btw and I am by no means an expert, just someone who did pretty much cause their weim a problem by chopping and changing poorer quality foods. Bacterias and parasites etc are a possible cause but to me it makes sense to stabilise her diet onto something that will help her when she has a bout. If that works then you have cracked it, if not you need to work on something else with your vet, but you will know that you are feeding a good quality sensitive food that contains no known irritants.

Hope that helps,

Nina

mark64

l just tryed the james wellbeloved to see if she will eat as she will not touch the chudleys at all, dont know what to do realy, do l just keep offering the chudleys and see if she starts eatng it again?

Alkemist

It's difficult to know for sure but if the food you have used so far is whats causing the issue, are you going to aggravate her putting her back onto it?

In the circumstances you have, I would go back to what your vet advised to introduce her back onto - possibly boiled chicken and rice I think? You can buy chicken from the freezer at pets at home that should be suitable, make sure it's only chicken not chicken and beef or chicken and tripe. And when she is pooing normally, try reintroducing a food that is gentle on her digestion - ie something without known irritants for a sensitive digestion. I don't know enough about chudleys but can thoroughly recommend either the Challenge (which you can order through this website http://www.challengedogfood.com/productrange.html

and Wafcol (salmon and potato or fish and corn) is available at pets at home. There are lots of other sensitive foods that you could try too. What you end up settling with, should be what suits the dog. I have used James Wellbeloved in the past but found the other 2 I have listed to be better. No-one can say this will work for your dog, or that will work, we can only say 'if she was ours this is what we'd do' because you know whats gone on so far and we don't.

If in the meantime the problems either don't appear to get better or get worse, then you are going to have to take her back to the vet.

Hope that helps, I know from my own experiences with past dogs that it's a horrible situation to be in when you just don't know what to do for the best and everything you try just makes it worse.

Good luck,

Nina

Greyghost

Hi Mark, firstly, as suggested in my previous post, I would get more tests done to rule out what Sally has highlighted re giardia etc.

I know exactly where you are coming from as my pup went through this at about 5 months old. She went off her food and I was advised to try her with a bit of this and a bit of that and in the end she was a quivering mess, even though I introduced things gradually. She was just going to be one of those dogs that had a very sensitive stomach. The vet told me to give her some kaolin back then which helped. These days I would use something like Protexin with vet guidance.

The more you chop and change the worse it will get. Once you decide what you are going to feed stick with it long enough to get him back on track, as Alkemist says.

If you think that rice is not causing him a problem there are two foods I would consider that have natural ingredients and are very easy to digest. They are wet as opposed to dry foods. Naturediet and Forthglade Lifestage.

There are many vet hospitals that use good old tinned Chappie for sick dogs which is full of 'gawd knows what' but is kind on the stomach. My girl stayed on this for a while after her torsion (which she had at a year old). As it is full of 'gawd knows what' (I have never been able to find a list of their ingredients Rolling Eyes

) I would only use it for convalescing.

Last thought Idea

is your pup eating poo by any chance Question

newbie

When my youngster had colitis i put him on Vitalin lamb and rice which is very good and can be given to pups he wouldnt touch his Vitalin puppy either until a good 6 weeks or so after the colitis had cleared up ,Challenge is also another one i would reccomend.

Greyghost

Here is a very similar problem to yours: http://workinghprs.myfastforum.or...mp;highlight=protexin&start=0

Alkemist

See Mark lots of us have 'been there' and when you get through the other side you'll have your very own 'I did this and it worked', it's just sorting out getting there in the first place Smile

Nina