Crufts

Claire · Crufts

This has been discussed briefly, although I seem to have missed that thread until I read it just now Rolling Eyes

So I was wondering who is going to Crufts this year? I will be there at the weimaraner ring running the rescue stand. Please pop by to say hello. I won't be on the stand for the whole day, but probably for the majority. There will be 3 stands at the weim ring and the one I'll be at is for Independent Weimaraner Rescue & Rehoming Service Smile

We will have lots of goodies for you to buy with all proceeds going to rescue.

I'm going dogless this year because my breeder is the judge. So whilst I will miss not showing because I love showing at Crufts, it will make a nice change to not have a dog with me, leaving me free to do as much shopping as I like Twisted Evil

guy

we will all be there - just need a Discover Dogs ticket for Catja.

Helen

I'll be there - with or without Teal,who is due in season.

Helen

BritAnnie

I wish I was coming, Judge doesn't suit and no point in paying £200 to come down overnight on coach just for the day.(can't afford it anyway) Crying or Very sad

Hope everyone who is going has a great time Laughing

BA

sako75

I am not sure if we are going either , the judge does not really suit our "type" IMO. Having only been to crufts twice , I have to say that I really enjoyed it apart from the overcrowding and the fact that you can't get out until 4pm - not good when you have a 9 hour journey home ahead of you Rolling Eyes

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Best of luck to all forum members who are making the journey and hope you all enjoy the day !!

Barry. Very Happy

Greyghost

I'm going too and am running one of the other stalls, the Weimaraner Association one. See you all there. Come and say hi. Very Happy

Ghilliegumdrop

What with showing the dogs...one in breed and one in gamekeeper.....visiting friends, doing shopping and also doing Discover Dogs, I wonder if there will be time to go to the loo Twisted Evil

countrygirl

There is always a loo que anyway lol.

Rumour will be there in post grad bitch and the game keepers class if I finish her hair cut only done one side so far Rolling Eyes

Caz

tashap

we're going but only in the gamekeepers ring not the breed rings, its all a bit of fun really and hopefully will be a nice day out.

Ghilliegumdrop

Ghillie is in the gamekeeper class as the judge for britts, Pauline Beaven, bred her.

Rhimad

Sharon and Freddie got Best of Breed, there is no stopping them two, well done Sharon and of course Freddie
Laughing

BritAnnie

Anyone out there able to get the Crufts results on teh Fosse Data website - I can't get it and I'm desperate to see the Brittany results!

lagopuslagopus

B R E E D & C L A S S R E S U L T S

BRITTANY

Judge(s): Mrs P Beaven

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Classes
VETERAN - Dog
Entries: 5 Abs: 1 1st SH CH BAYWILLOW NAPOLEON (MR E YARROW)

2nd SH CH RIO DU BOIS SAUSSIN (MR M T & MRS A L LOCKIE)

3rd BOISELS MINSTREL (MISS S AXTELL)

Res PAIRKNAGLOS NIGHTMAGIC AVEC PERLSGARD (MS P M HIBBS)

SPECIAL PUPPY - Dog
Entries: 4 Abs: 0 1st EASTONITE CHESNUT AT GEMPOINT (MR K & MRS S THORLEY)

2nd CURACAO TANK CALZAGHE AT SULTAIR (MRS J TAYLOR)

3rd PATOUCHE CARDINAL (MISS S AXTELL)

Res COXELLOT COBBLER (MR B E COLE)

SPECIAL JUNIOR - Dog
Entries: 5 Abs: 1 1st JAYRICNBRITS BRIAFAEL (MRS M J CUTLER)

2nd TILLYBIRLOCH BEAU (MR A & MRS S COVENEY)

3rd TOURNESOL BRACONNIER (MR M T & MRS A L LOCKIE)

Res JAYRICNBRITS BRICE (MRS I CLAYTON)

POST GRADUATE - Dog
Entries: 5 Abs: 0 1st JAYRICNBRITS BRIAFAEL (MRS M J CUTLER)

2nd EASTONITE BRYDONE AT GEMPOINT (MR K & MRS S THORLEY)

3rd KENMILLLIX GAMEMATCH AT CHIENMAGIQUE (MR J & MISS H HODKINSON)

Res TAILLISIDE WATER CHESTNUT OF TRESALLIER (MR G & MRS J BAGSHAW)

VHC PAIRKNAGLOS NIGHTMAGIC AVEC PERLSGARD (MS P M HIBBS)

LIMIT - Dog
Entries: 5 Abs: 0 1st TAILLISIDE WINTER BERRY (MR S W & MISS F POTTER & COOK)

2nd EASTONITE BACCHUS (MISS A J ELLIS)

3rd JAYRICNBRITS BOWEN (MRS M J CUTLER)

Res WHALRIM VOYOU AT JOALDY (MR A W, MRS J R & MISS J J PRETTY)

VHC PATOUCHE ACROPOLE (MR W I & MRS E P MOLTON)

OPEN - Dog
Entries: 5 Abs: 1 1st SH CH BAYWILLOW TROUBADOUR (MR M & MRS J DYER)

2nd CHALLOWMOON VITO (MRS D M MOONEY)

3rd HAWKWISE HIGHLANDER (MR S WRIGHT)

Res EASTONITE VEEP AT BYEWAYS (BRITTANY) (MR H & MRS C NELSON)

SPECIAL WORKING GUNDOG - Dog
Entries: 1 Abs: 0 1st ROCHUS VOLCAN JW (MR J & MRS B A ANDERSON)

GOOD CITIZEN DOG SCHEME - Dog
Entries: 2 Abs: 0 1st TAILLISIDE WATER CHESTNUT OF TRESALLIER (MR G & MRS J BAGSHAW)

2nd PAIRKNAGLOS NIGHTMAGIC AVEC PERLSGARD (MS P M HIBBS)

OPEN - Bitch
Entries: 6 Abs: 0 1st SH CH PRIMROSE ANNE AT SONNENBERG (MRS E HUGHES)

2nd ABERDON SGURR FHUARAN (MR B C & MRS D G DAVIES)

3rd SH CH ROCHUS VIVIANE WITH JAYRICNBRITS JW (MRS M J CUTLER)

Res SH CH YARAK UDINE (MS J A HAGUE)

VHC PIXBROOK VANESSA (MR ML & MRS KJ YOUNG)

HC TARWARD THEIA (MRS J ROBINSON)

SPECIAL WORKING GUNDOG - Bitch
Entries: 1 Abs: 0 1st CH PATOUCHE TOSCANE (MRS PATRICIA RUSH)

GOOD CITIZEN DOG SCHEME - Bitch
Entries: 3 Abs: 0 1st CHANDALE ORANGE BLOSSOM AT TAILLISIDE (MR S W & MISS F POTTER & COOK)

2nd AMMLYS SERENADE (MR B C & MRS D G DAVIES)

BritAnnie

Thanks, I just got them online - but they have posted Open bitch without the previous bitch classes - obviously poor Fosse Data are having problems keeping up!

windem bang

Well done Guy - think I spotted your name in there ---twice! Laughing

Bill T.

BenB

Woo hooo well done Freddie !!

windem bang

Once more I watched Crufts tonight and once more got more and more annoyed as the gundogs did their thing.

The dog that won overall is a lovely little dog ,yes. A gundog ? Not on your Nellie !!! It was probably the "gundog" LEAST likely to be able to do a days gundog work. The dog that won the gundog group belongs in the toy group of dogs surely ?

Bill T.

guy

sako75

Well done Guy and I have to say well done Sharon and Freddie - he looked awesome !! Very Happy

He was the winner in my eyes , what a stunning dog !!!!

Barry.

guy

my informant tells me Sharon took both dog and bitch CC !!

countrygirl

Yes Sharon did take the bith ticket also with one of Freddys puppies who was out of the special puppy class so still only a baby both reserves went to Maxine.

I only saw the last half hour ov tv show when we got home will watch the rest later I know that Chris C and her weimarans were interviewed but dont know if it made it on.

Anyway I dident do anything in breed but........... am over the moon to say that Rumour was 2nd in the gamekeepers picking uo and beating class Very Happy

you could of knocked me over with a featherand for good mesure she got £30 of Chudley vouchers, I was beaten by another wirehair Moya Reeds Weigon there were 51 entered (it says on the Crufts they were all present) but there were only 29 there lol.

So I got Rumour a nice new ball cause she was a good girl Very Happy

Caz

BenB

Definitely saw Chris being interviewed.

Completely agree about the sham that won it. Freddie deserved it.

Helen

Well done Caz!!!

Well done to you as well Sharon. I did watch some of the gwp judging and did come across later to see if I could find you but you weren't about.

Helen

countrygirl

Thats good that Chris made it tv will watch it later all Ben Fogal was interest in was the eye and coat colour lol

countrygirl

Thanks Helen I did see you and your bump at the other side of the ring and was hoping to get to chat sorry I missed you it was a very long day and I was at the gamekeepers class for an hour very tired legs last night

BenB

Clumber Spaniels make me feel car sick.

bighairydog · Crufts.

Well done everyone who was there yesterday.
I sit here absolutely shattered after a long forty eight hours and long drive down and back home, however the Red rosette I have for Gunnars first in Post Graduate is giving me a warm glow.
Was a great atmosphere on the GWP bench's and it was really nice catching up with eveyone.

countrygirl

Well done big hairy dog.

I have just had chance to watch coverage from last night thought it was dismal, it was gundog day afterall no coverage what so ever of gamekeeper classes. Would of thought it would of been better to put that on than ben fogal teaching his dog to be a pat dog Twisted Evil

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TO make matters worst got we got home half way through tv coverage so 'pressed red' so we could watch the complete group judging only thing that come up was Peter Purvis doing agility Twisted Evil

Caz

bighairydog

Thank you,
Yeah no coverage of the gamekeepers class was a bit of a shame.
The group was good though some of the dogs seemed to have had a long day, Freddie had stepped up a gear in the group compared to the breed classes striding out on a loose lead whereas earlier Sharon was having to rein him in a bit.
Great turnout in the Wires as well, it was good to see.
Maxine and Peter done well too, Timo was on form looking great and flashy, definately one to watch, imo should be his ticket next year.

windem bang

Personally I thought that considering it was supposed to be about gundogs the coverage given was abyssmal. I did not switch on the telly to see Ben Fogals dog get petted or patted !!! The presenters and some of the so called experts made comments that I would have loved to have been able to immediately challenge.

I actually find it insulting that the dog that won overall is called a gundog.
There were breeds such as the Irish Red and White Setter at that show which have struggled back from the brink of extinction both in the showring and actually working. It would have been worthwhile talking to some of their owners instead of watching Ben Fogal go Ga - Ga over his bitch !

Bill T.

BritAnnie

Did anyone notice that they got the qualifications wrong too? They said that a Champion was one that was both a FT and a Sh Champion. You'd have thought that they would have done their homework and got it right since they have had so much stick in the past.
BA

windem bang

Yes Annie, I did notice that but said nuffin 'cos I get mixed up with the credit systems myself ! Embarassed

Bill T.

countrygirl

I was interested when looking at some results today to see that the bob golden retriver was also a champion so must have a field award also, shame they dident comment on things like that more

Caz

guy

We must not loose sight of the fact this is a dog show for show dogs - it is not a show for working dogs. It can never be - it must never be. The rules of the game are set by the Kennel Club; we choose to enter, to win we have to play by their rules. You would not expect an athlete specialising in the heptathlon to always beat every specialist athlete of the individual areas? Likewise you would not expect to come in from working in the garden, wash your hands and go to a wedding without first sprucing up and putting on your posh clothes.

So for me I am happy how it is, dogs that cannot do a days work and breeds that no longer have the opportunity (how many bulls are baited these days?) are kept alive; - what is sweet however is to see so many dogs that are capable of a good days work competing and winning, and winning well.

If you want a champion working dog you have to trial it, if you want a champion conformation dog you have to show it. If you want both you have to do both.

countrygirl

Guy

I dont have a problem with show dogs being show dogs and working dogs being working dogs, I was just saddened like lots of other people to see that on gundog day they chose to show so much other rubbish(like bf making his dog a pat dog) after all it is a lab would of made more scence if they showed him attempting to do some gundog training.

I was lucky to do well as my dog was looked on as a working dog and did well.

Caz

Mike

We had a surreal day, it started with some badger baiting in the dark and me carrying my dog down to the barn as he was unable to walk and crying out in pain, I half expected to be covered in blood when we got to the barn and Kath and I where trying to figure out the best way to get hold of the vet (it was well before 5:30 am at this point) Cleaned the dog up and no blood, checked him out and no obvious pain but he was hobbling around on three legs. To be fair to Harley he is a very stoic dog, I've seen him with deep 3"+ gashes bleeding everywhere and no reaction so I was convinced this had to be serious as he was in such a bad way.

Over the next hour or so he steadily improved and was wandering around so we made the decision to go and watch and Harley would be benched (anyone who has seen him at a show knows he really isn't bothered about being benched, he just sleeps the day away)

Kath followed me down and said that she could see no lameness as he walked beside me and even though we arrived really late our class hadn't been judged. Kath had a few practice goes and her friend could see no problems, so we decided to line up with the rest but to withdraw if he was unsound. Amazingly he came away with a third in mid limit, the most senior class he has been in Smile

A truly bizarre day, I had planned on catching up with other forum members but was exhausted! Well done to those that did so well!

cressy

My twopenneth Laughing

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BBC Crufts coverage is for Joe Public and not for people who are seriously interested in dogs. It tries and IMHO usually fails to show people what they can do with their dogs as a snapshot and is 'light entertainment' only.

Crufts itself is a showcase that the KC runs to make money. Within that there are opportunities for breeds to be shown to the general public, activities can be demonstrated again to show how versatile dogs can be in that things like HWTM are designed to appeal to an audience that may not consider traditional routes of training. Also consider how many people you know who will happily pay to train their dogs at agility, flyball, HWTM etc, often driving miles to get there while they could tramp the fields for free Wink

. At least though the dogs that do these activities are channelled and usually fit as opposed to bored, destructive or in rescue.

Then there are those who are trying to promote breeds and develop them, breeders discreetly advertising their wares, people like me who are possibly shallow in the fact they like winning the odd rosette and getting to Crufts only to wonder where the money went for two pieces of card and some pretty ribbon Embarassed

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I enjoy showing although I don't do my boys justice, I was proud of my pup who managed the bustle so much better than he might, I like meeting friends and having a good day chatting.

I also enjoy learning how to work my dogs, I would not be trying this lifestyle without getting a dog worthy of winning his prize at Crufts yesterday (Mugi).

It would be great to see working dogs showcased properly but again IMHO this is where Gamefairs and the like come into their own. As there seems to be some controversy about the BASC Gamekeeper Classes at Crufts (and the docking ban will probably make this worse) - which incidentally Mugi and I missed as our breed classes where late starting Rolling Eyes

, perhaps there may be a place for conformation showing to be incorporated into the CLA Gamefair rather than Crufts?? We all agree that in certain breeds there is a divergence between show and working dogs and perhaps moving away from Crufts but having KC endorsed confirmation classes in a promotion of the working environment type event would be of more benefit to all????

As for the American Cocker, I haven't watched the judging or seen the BBC coverage but while the dog is classified as a Gundog, whatever we feel personally I guess it has every right to win the group if the judge on the day feels it was the best dog there.

bighairydog · Crufts

Some people have asked for pictures of my GWP, here is one taken at Crufts where he took first in post graduate. For those interested I will post others of him in a more natural environment when I can get round to it.
An example of a working dog who I think looks great as well, hmm suppose I am biased though Laughing

Hope the picture comes up, bit of a techno-dunce Laughing

munstyman

Well done all of you with all your success's, not least of all you Caz, whats the odds of arriving in the car park at the same time with a forum member Question

Just thought I would also plug the LMs own little star, Erin who managed to get herself on `primetime TV' on the `One Show'....Twice Cool

and for taking best puppy.
Well done Guy, I didn't stay for the judging but was most impressed with your such well behaved trio of Brits on the bench, not seen if the footage of them playing with the munster has made it passed the editing sweet, ( My legs are in there somewhere Rolling Eyes

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Sorry to hear of your early morning troubles Mike, I did look around the Weims to see if I could find you, My munsters have a fascination with badgers, I think its how they move over the ground, and they don't seem to realise that badgers don't want to be retrieved Exclamation

And of course badgers don't realise that its not a good idea to bite a munsterlander Shocked

. Luckily I now recognise the sounds of badger encounters ( its usually in the pitch black) and can get there pretty quick to break up the encounter before it gets serious Exclamation

Peter

countrygirl

Was good to see you Peter and I had no ideal what the day was going to bring. I have been entering the game keeper classes for years and had never been even short listed before great to know she was liked by a working person as thats where by heart has been for a while rather than showing.

It was also brillent for Moya Reed who beat me with her bitch and won the same cup that she had won before with her grand mother.

Caz

guy

munstyman

Caz, I see that all is not well from reports of the gamekeeper classes Exclamation

with awards being witheld/not being presented. Perhaps its all a ploy to keep the true purpose of the `gundogs' out of the public eye by upsetting the entrants Wink

Cynical, me Question

Peter

Bareve

Thanks everyone for your kind words on Freddy's success at Crufts. As previously he so loved the extra space in the main ring as it gave him ample opportunity to show off his great movement Very Happy

As Caz said his 11 month old daughter won the BCC, which incidentallly her mother Biwindi won her first ever CC at Crufts, and another Freddy son won Puppy Dog and got moved up the line to be considered for the RCC.

Lisa Jones' Wirehairs also picked up some awards in the Gamekeepers class as well as in the breed classes.

Brenda's Busche looked lovely in the group ring and his big stride ate up the ground very easily.

The Golden has his SGWC for his qualifier although I do believe that he is used for picking up as is most of her dogs.

Really manic there today but then Saturday's are always the worse and working and pastoral breeds are always busy. Tomorrow looks likely to be just as busy - oh the joys of Crufts Very Happy

guy · Aunty BEEB

Photos of photos

Martyn

Guy, where did you locate the crufts pictures? - i can't find them on the crufts or bbc web sites

countrygirl

You are right Peter about there being alot of discussion on another forum about prizes being with held in the game keeper classes.

I was only down there for my class but someone has done an anyilis of the results and card given and it seems very strange.

The male judge gives cc and the female judge is a ft judge and I dont know how much showing she has been involved in, apparently letters are going to be sent to ask for an explanation perhaps they were wrongley advised. As far as I am aware these classes arnt qualifing classes so there seems little point in withholding awards.

I am like you a bit cynical even more so as none of the keepers classes were shown this year but then thats down to the bbc and not Crufts management, but just think how many more trade stands they could get in that aera.

This year the tail docking issue dosent seem to have had much impact on Crufts and it was nice to see so many docked breeds making it onto the short lists of the groups. But I imagin that within the next couple of years there is going to be a reduction in entrys in the keepers classes as most working people are still having their dogs docked so will be unable to enter. And that will just leave the retrivers and setters.

Caz

guy

http://www.bbc.co.uk/birmingham/c...rufts_video_archive_feature.shtml
this takes you to a page with link to programme. Pictures were photographs of laptop screen - unable to screen capture.

sashalgwps

Well done everybody on the wins and especially to all the GWPs placed in the gamekeepers classes - fantastic to see Very Happy

We had a great day taking second behind Sharon's lovely puppy with Bini - our puppy's half sister and then a first for her in Junior. Really pleased that our new Ch won the Special Working Gundog class too Very Happy

Freddy looked a picture in the group with that extra room to show off his super ground covering stride Smile

He's certainly passed that on to his puppies.

It was good to catch up with everyone - Helen sorry I missed you

Alex

BritAnnie

Unfortunately the Brittanys entered in the Gamekeepers classes didn't get there in time because of all those black and white things getting their pictures taken before the Breed could get in for judging. Otherwise you'd have been looking at Brittanys winning the top working spots - BRITTANYS RULE - OK????? Wink

Linda W

You'd think that there would be somewhere for the photos to be taken, and for the judge to discuss things with anyone who wants to talk about their placings, without taking up ring time, wouldn't you? When you are standing ringside waiting to go in the last thing you want is for the judge to stand talking Wink

Mind you, the gorgeous black and white dogs' owners can talk, and talk, and talk Twisted Evil

BritAnnie

They sure can, especially that little Yorkshire chappie with the baldy heid!(oops hope Ray doesn't browse Wink

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BA

Hollie

I see in the last picture that BF is talking to Chris lady with weims!

now i watched the gundog day on BBc iplayer and i didnt see him talking to her?

or did i have a blonde moment???

BritAnnie

It was on both TV and the iplayer version - remind me - BF stands for what again? Is it B- - - - - Full(deliberate mis-spell Wink

)?

guy

BF = Ben Fogle

You have to be quick the chat does not last long.

BritAnnie

Iknew that - I was being facetious

guy

BritAnnie

Are you so tired that is all you can muster Wink

Just "Oh"

BritAnnie

It's on again - off to watch it.

Hollie

ok i was def having a blonde moment im going to watch it again and see if i can not miss it Laughing

Helen S

Congratulations everybody who won a prize at Crufts.

Helen S

BritAnnie

I do think the BBC presentation was better this year. Seeing all the Breed winners was excellent, and Ben Fogle is actually very pleasant on the eye. Laughing

It would have been good to see his dog working as well as just being a PAT dog although that is certainly commendable.
That is some special G Schnauzer - I think he is improving with age.

Rhimad

Well done to everyone, sounds like you all did HPR's proud.

munstyman

Ghilliegumdrop

Some people have no finesse Very Happy

There wasn't many with tails this year anyway Exclamation

PS Did you mean those funny Flatcoats....boy they get everywhere Twisted Evil

windem bang

Thank god it's all over ,it's even more boring than cricket or tennis or snooker !!! S'not even a true blue British bit of boredom any more!

Yours, bored,

Bill T. Laughing

Ghilliegumdrop

That's very true Twisted Evil

BritAnnie

I agree - I'm not at all happy about all these foreign things winning all our prizes!
BA

windem bang

I'm beginning to get really despondent about this forum. Never thought the day would come when I couldn't get a rise out of at least one of you two Exclamation

Bill T.

BritAnnie

Well, you're right. It is VERY boring watching it on TV. Can't understand anyone going to a dog show to just WATCH! Wink

windem bang

When competing in a show you are only "on" for 10 minutes,if that. What do you do for the rest of the day ? At the only dog show at which I personally showed my dog, I was "on" first thing in the morning. What on earth was I supposed to do for the rest of the day? Even I get fed up blethering after a while and the stalls don't hold much interest for me.

At the two most recent shows I've attended the most interesting part of the day for me has been to at last see a breed or two I have never seen in the flesh before. I also like to question the owners of these dogs as to their working strengths and weaknesses. I do this with my usual diplomacy and delicacy of course !!! Laughing

Bill T.

BritAnnie

Of course! You are the soul of discrepancy Wink

guy

BritAnnie

They're not foreign, they're French Wink

and anyway there weren't any interlopers in our breed were there? Wink

None from across the Pond?

guy

there was a German import Very Happy

Helen

BritAnnie

countrygirl

apparently the mix up with the awards in the game keeper ring happened as the judges were told at the start of the day that there were only 3 rosettes for each class and no mention of the prize cards for 4th and 5th, by the time it was sorted it was too late to award the places for the eariler classes. A real shame for those that went home without a cord who should of that them

Caz

ps very disopointing coverage in the shooting times not even the class awards

tashap

what a shame that they weren't awarded. Congratulations to the winners!! Very Happy

We enjoyed our day despite a few minor problems and it was interesting to see the dogs and their owners all spit and polished although i did wonder how many of the dogs have actually done more than a days work in some classes.

The keepers rings seem to have lost their raw edge that they had the first time i entered in 2006 they look more like the breed rings now. I found that a pity really as I really enjoyed the atmosphere of the more jolly keepers rings.

We had a really odd day to start to the day with bonnie being scratched for coming into season early, a mating which went great and then just when I thought we'd be in luck to take her she trod on something and cut her foot open & was hobbling, so she'd stayed at home but we did still take Graf on his first crufts outing. Cool

Anna picked him up the day before after an extended holiday with me and he'd been for a swim in the Thames on the wednesday night, ending up having a bath in one of the service stations in the early hours of Thursday morning. So he was all soft and shiny Smile

He went into the ring and made a bee line for me on the way round so I had to hide behind on of the pillars, the ring steward then trod on his tail just before the judge went over him. In all fairness it really threw him and to have another stranger then go over him and try to grope his balls was just a bit too much for him to deal with straight away.

We didn't get much time to do anything really despite plans to shop you definitely need more than one day to see everything Very Happy

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