French Brittany semen

swainsons · French Brittany semen

Hello All,

Anybody out their know how I can go about inporting some French Brittany semen from the UK, also, does anyone know of a donor?

Regards,

Leon

Ghilliegumdrop

I know a brilliant vet in Cambridge who specializes in doing this work. What breeding would you want for your? bitch Leon Question

swainsons

Hi Ghillie,

I would obviously like from working stock and seperate from her Sire, Bertrams Prior (AF02901001) and Dam, Coco de Mer (AA02066505)

My only other requirement would for the lines to be as clean as possible, my bitch does have a little American blood in her.

Have you any idea what costs would be involved??

Regards,

weima

Tweed House vets near Leeds are very good at AI/reproduction so you could perhaps contact them.
http://www.tweedhousevets.co.uk/html/reproduction_clinic.html

Ghilliegumdrop

I can find out for you if you wish.

BritAnnie

Wouldn't you need to find a stud dog owner willing to have the semen taken off first?
I sent semen to Norway from Flash a few years back, and used BritBreed Ltd in Dalkeith (At the time they had an excellent reputation with sheep and cattle but dogs were fairly new to them) The vet we had used his own lab bitch as a teaser, and he was very sympathetic to both me and my dog, but I have heard horror stories of some places using electric shock stimulants, so be very careful!
Annie

kiwi

holy crap annie if thats the way they collect semen in the uk i can understand why i hit a brick wall when trying to find a gwp breeder willing to get a stud collected and put on ice to send to new zealand.
collecting semen is simple and bloodly cheap insurance for the future.
i'm surprised the uk breeders haven't seen the benefits of frozen semen,
imagine quality dogs like sharons freddie being able to sire litters ten years after he has died Rolling Eyes

Ghilliegumdrop

The vet that I know in Cambridge is very well known as an excellent and experienced collector and she also works closely with the KC. Friends of mine have used her without problems.

weima

BritAnnie

I take it both of these use teasers? I believe in using the most natural method possible and would not have agreed to Flash being used by ANY other method than this.

weima

kiwi

i have a mate who is trained to collect and grade/ freeze etc, she spent a few years in america working and getting trained in the whole field, she is one of the two experts in new zealand at the moment, she is really good at it and has shown me how the whole process works, it's not rocket science and really quite simple, she collects alot of pigdog males for hunters, it only takes a few mins and no teasers are used, just a swab and some...... Rolling Eyes

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......use your imagination Laughing

the whole process last ten mins max and is painless.
the end result is a collection of sperm which can be examined and counted and put into viles and frozen there is enough for at least 10 matings from one collection so that one collection can sire pups to many bitches.....and it lasts along time too.

sashalgwps

AI litters and collections seem to be getting used more widely now in the UK don't they.

There have been two successful AI litters in the UK in GWPs - both on maiden bitches and both carried out by Tweed House Vets.

In the USA they perform AI regularly due to the distances to travel for a 'natural' mating

Alex

Ghilliegumdrop

I have been told that the KC will not allow semen to be used [in the UK ]unless the dog has already sired a litter naturally Exclamation

weima

You may find this useful http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/item/478

karenb

The rules have certainly changed recently and no permissionis now needed for Trans Cervical insemination (rather than surgical) subject to the stud dog being either dead (if a UK dog) or an overseas dogs providing that the dog has registerd progeny from a natural mating.

I have tried for AI twice with frozen semen proir to the rule changes.. got permission and used surgical route with no pups Crying or Very sad

It certainly isn't the easy route for pups, to my knowledge the surgical route is the best option for getting pups and seems to have been the prefered method until the rule changes.

Has anyone ever got a litter using the Trans Crevical route ?? Most people I know who have tried AI have used the surgical route - a few have been sucessful but a good number of failures also. Make me wonder if its worth trying the Trans Cervical route ??

Karen

weima

Karen there has been success with the trans cervical method but obviously the preferred method is surgical as you can put the semen exactly where it should be!

I know Tweed House are on about a 65% success rate but I don't know how that compares with any others.

BritAnnie

I don't remember Cissi telling me that Nika was put under for the insemination so it must have been the trans cervical method. She had 7 pups (I think) to Flash - that was about 5 years ago in Norway. Oslo Uni Vet School did it.

karenb

Thanks Weima

I am sitting on a limited semen supply from 2 dead dogs and feel very twitchy about considering another AI - especially as the surgical route doesn't seem to be an option any more.

Fortunately I am in no rush to do any matings having just had a litter (natural mating to the girl who missed twice with AI & got 10 pups !! ) so I plan to see how things develop re Trans Cervical inseminations. Getting accurate info is however difficult at times as you hear of sucess stories easily but not of failures. Any info will be greatfully recieved.

Karen

weima

I'm not 100% sure but I seem to think that if there is a problem doing it trans cervically then the surgical method can be done. Maybe Karen if your bitch has missed TC then you may be a case for surgical?

If you have the semen stored then there is no rush to use it & use it when you feel necessary. It just costs for the storage.

BritAnnie

Did you proceed any fiurther with this, Leon?
Annie

BritAnnie

Has anyone had a blood test done on a bitch to see whether she is in whelp? My friend in Norway did, and it was negative, but suddenly the bitch has got bigger and is fit and well. We are wondering if an error could have been made. I'm not sure which method of AI they used.
BA

karenb

weima

Is it cheaper than having an ultra sound?

BritAnnie

My friend was advised to do the test at 25 days, but her own vet has said that it isn't accurate at that time. He has done a survey and foud that most of his tested negative at 25 days and positive at 30 days. So it is derfinitely sensitive. I didn't know it could be done in teh UK - might ask my vet today.
Annie

karenb

Benreeda

amusing story about a kind way of collecting semen. Years ago we wanted seman off a GWP so went to the vet. My friend was with me and the vet gave us a jar and said to see what we could do. Rolling Eyes

Well, we took turns trying to get semen and eventually success but realised he had tied in the jar. We couldn't stop laughing and the vet came in and asked what was wrong. Embarassed

His comment was well you will just have to wait till he parts with the jar. We were having the seman tested and after all that it was OK

Pat

BritAnnie

Sequel to this thread was that the test Cecilie had done was taken too early for the hormone to be detected and Akina has 8 fine tricolour puppies to Flash - see other thread. A fitting memorial to a great dog.
BA