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Benreeda

giving raspberry leaf tablets

Has anyone used raspberry leaf tablets to help with whelping.  I have a bitch due to whelp soon and wondered about this as having quite a lot of pups.  Years ago I gave a bitch these tablets and she was too calm which caused problems. Others say it is a help so wondered what is best.  Leave well alone or give tablets.?    Sad
Rhimad

Hi Pat

I have used it on horses, it was wonderful, well she had no bother and everything came away etc,

Never used it on dogs.
lagopuslagopus

We used them with 'the Pink' and everything went well.
Tracy

Gave raspberry leaf tablets to briar with her first litter and everything went fine, didnt bother with her 2nd litter and she took a lot longer to give birth, from 1st pup to last it was 30 hours but first litter only took 8 hours.

Tracy
Bareve

Tracy wrote:
Gave raspberry leaf tablets to briar with her first litter and everything went fine, didnt bother with her 2nd litter and she took a lot longer to give birth, from 1st pup to last it was 30 hours but first litter only took 8 hours.

Tracy


30 hours.......   gosh I would "never" leave a bitch 30 hours between the first and last puppy Surprised  Surprised    

Our local farmer has just done something very similar - bitch scanned with 3 had one puppy and seemed to settle down.  We suggested that he took her to the vet to see about the other puppy/s and he said he was going to leave her.  2 days later she started to strain like mad - emergency vet appointment, emergency C-section to remove dead puppy who had now started to break up.  Messed the bitch up good and proper and the single puppy died the following day as the bitch was so unsettled.  Vet fee currently standing at £500+   Had he gone and got a dose of oxytocin he may have had two live puppies and a nominal vet bill! Sad
Claire

Thats really sad Sharon, especially when it potentially could have been avoided  Sad
Rhimad

That is sad and like you say could have been avoided Crying or Very sad

When Tikka had her last litter she had had 8 puppies practically one after the other then there was a 45 min gap, I was about to call the vet because I knew there was at least one more in there because I could feel it, I let her out for a pee (I went with her of course) and under the apple tree she produced pup number nine....I was ready for calling the vet after 45 minutes, there is no way I could have left her for 30 hours Shocked

I didnt give Tikka anything for either of her two litters, she was fed as normal and exercised as normal no problems at all, I think with both litters she had had all the pups within two hours max.
Benreeda

My goodness 30 hours lucky the bitch didn't have dead puppies as must have been getting tired.  Thanks everyone.  I won't give her anything.   At least she is scanned so know 9 pups on scan so will be more.   We never had any bother with Irish except sometimes oxytocin but twice had whelping with wires  going too slow.  Last time was awful as the bitch who was having her 2nd litter was frantic while whelping and had bloat next morning.  Never had bloat before.  Everything was great with her after an op  but we were nervous wrecks.  Les said never again but here we go.  If anything goes wrong I may be getting the blame.  MEN!!!!!
sashalgwps

[quote="Rhimad"]That is sad and like you say could have been avoided Crying or Very sad
When Tikka had her last litter she had had 8 puppies practically one after the other then there was a 45 min gap, I was about to call the vet because I knew there was at least one more in there because I could feel it, I let her out for a pee (I went with her of course) and under the apple tree she produced pup number nine....I was ready for calling the vet after 45 minutes, there is no way I could have left her for 30 hours Shocked
quote]

We are exactly the same Tracey.

Pat I read a few things about Raspberry leaf that stopped me from using it with the bitches.

Alex
Bareve

Claire wrote:
Thats really sad Sharon, especially when it potentially could have been avoided  Sad


Yes it could have been avoided and the live puppy was fine when they took her mother in as I went up with my hot water bottle and my RC milk and fed her so that she was fed and warm whilst the bitch was away.

Anyone else I would have given him an earful but he's the farmer who lets me use his land without question so I bit my tongue  Very Happy  Very Happy
Bareve

Rhimad wrote:
That is sad and like you say could have been avoided Crying or Very sad

When Tikka had her last litter she had had 8 puppies practically one after the other then there was a 45 min gap, I was about to call the vet because I knew there was at least one more in there because I could feel it, I let her out for a pee (I went with her of course) and under the apple tree she produced pup number nine....I was ready for calling the vet after 45 minutes, there is no way I could have left her for 30 hours Shocked

I didnt give Tikka anything for either of her two litters, she was fed as normal and exercised as normal no problems at all, I think with both litters she had had all the pups within two hours max.


Whelpings can be so difficult or so straight forward.  We don't worry so much about the length of time between the puppies (but ideally as quick as possible) but the type and strength of contractions and the progress made when the bitch is really straining and not just pushing/juggling.  

However even when we think the bitch has finished we always ask the vet to check the bitch over and give her a dose of oxytocin to make sure she is empty and it helps shut down her uterus properly.   Only occasionally has this produced a puppy but sometimes the bitch has fooled both us and the vets Smile
Bareve

Benreeda wrote:
My goodness 30 hours lucky the bitch didn't have dead puppies as must have been getting tired.  Thanks everyone.  I won't give her anything.   At least she is scanned so know 9 pups on scan so will be more.   We never had any bother with Irish except sometimes oxytocin but twice had whelping with wires  going too slow.  Last time was awful as the bitch who was having her 2nd litter was frantic while whelping and had bloat next morning.  Never had bloat before.  Everything was great with her after an op  but we were nervous wrecks.  Les said never again but here we go.  If anything goes wrong I may be getting the blame.  MEN!!!!!


You'll be fine Pat - she will have the pups as easy as shelling peas Laughing  Laughing
langhaar

Remember being told about raspberry leaf during midwifery training. This was used in the bad old days when terminations were illegal. It's effect on uterine contractions are minimal as it was for those poor souls who relied on it to solve their problem.
Benreeda

Thanks everyone I know everything will probably be OK and after all these years we should take it in our stride,    Usually I take it for granted all will be well and things have gone wrong but this time ready for anything.      Wink   
Glad I am not a midwife my nerves couldn't stand it.
langhaar

You'll be fine Very Happy

Mother Nature doesn't usually cause problems !
Ghilliegumdrop

I used to start giving raspberry leaf the last 7/10 days with my Cavaliers and never had any problems with delivering or infections afterwards.
devon longhair

Don't know about dogs, but I drank heaps and heaps of raspberry leaf tea during my pregnancies.......my daughter was only a day late and my son was a couple of days late so I think it did the trick!!!
Helen

What week did you start taking it devon longhair (sorry, don't know your name)

Helen
devon longhair

Hello, sorry for the delayed reply Helen. I can't remember exactly, but I know that you should not start to take it before week 32 of your human pregnancy. It makes your womb more muscular and ready for good strong contractions on D-day (sorry to anyone readin this with a weak disposition!). If you take it before week 32 it can cause early labour. Hope this helps.

Nikola
BritAnnie

Someone told me on Sunday to give Belle raspberry leaf now before she comes in season - said it would calm her down as she was jumpy and a bit snappy with another dog sniffing her.  I think she has about a month to go.  Any ideas on this aspect of it?
Greyghost

BritAnnie wrote:
Someone told me on Sunday to give Belle raspberry leaf now before she comes in season - said it would calm her down as she was jumpy and a bit snappy with another dog sniffing her.  I think she has about a month to go.  Any ideas on this aspect of it?


http://www.holisticpetsupplies.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=41

This may help explain it a bit more.
Greyghost

Helen wrote:
What week did you start taking it devon longhair (sorry, don't know your name)

Helen


http://www.birthease.co.uk/birthe...?gclid=CJPQqdGwxJMCFQpaQgodHUmXCg
BritAnnie

I think I'll refrain from this for Belle as although she's jumpy a month or so before she's due in, I want to mate her this time round so don't want to run the risk of aborting. Thanks for all the info.
Greyghost

BritAnnie wrote:
I think I'll refrain from this for Belle as although she's jumpy a month or so before she's due in, I want to mate her this time round so don't want to run the risk of aborting. Thanks for all the info.


Use the tick boxes on here http://www.bachshop.co.uk/catalog...=3dc645b2c813f9b3a3c36679fcacf794 and see if a Bach Flower will help her.  Try not to tick too many......
Danielle Mason

hi Pat. I know its too late now but my mother uses raspberry leaf tablets for all of her bitches and they all manage to produce pups calmly and rather effortlessly. I drank raspberry leaf tea every morning before i had molly and my labour only took 2 hours. I would advise this for anybody to give there bitches.

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