gspx weimeraner ?

scotty wong · gspx weimeraner ?

i have seen advertised this cross(both working parents) i know a pure breed would be preferable but can any one give me there veiws on these please?
is this a bad cross? is there going to be and big problems etc

thanks scotty Smile

Allyson

Not sure why this occurred, mistake or intention?

The problem with x-breeds is that puppies are not 50% Wei and 50% GSP; IME with X breeds (not of this model) puppies can vary widely both in genotype and phenotype or in other words how they look and how they behave.

Therefore are you going to get a puppy that looks more like a GSP or more like Weimaraner?

Are you going to get a puppy that behaves more like a GSP or more like Wei?

Are you going to get a puppy like its mum or its dad?

So like all mongrels or puppies that are not bred for particular qualities for generations it is going to be a bit of a lottery isn't it?

I suppose it depends what you want it for.

I cannot see any particular "horrors" waiting in store for you over and above that which may exist in poorly bred pure bred dogs etc.

You certainly won't get a grey dog.........

Marjolein

scotty wong

hi ya.well i dont know if was a mistake but as the parents live in the same huse i would guess so.it dosent matter what colour they are to me but the are all varying shades of brown(the father is a brown gsp)and as they are bothe similar shape dogs and do similar jobs(although wiems are more pointery??) is it likely they will have a good chance of being atleast decent? or am i way off the mark?
as for the hip scores i will check with owner but as the dogs are fairly old would it show or can it jump generations?

sorry for daft questions but if you daont ask you dont learn

Smile

scotty

Marjolein

As a vet nurse, I've seen lots of dogs with HD. Some had severe HD and you couldn't really tell from the outside. Some had only minor changes in the hips and they where in a lot of pain. We even had to pts a couple of dogs <1 year old, because of severe HD.
HD is a hereditary dissease and when you decide to breed a litter from dogs who might be prone to it, the least you should do is having both parents scored.

I can only speak for the breed on the mainland and I know little about the GSP, but HD doesn't occur too often here.
I just wouldn't want to take the risk.

Allyson

Hi Scotty, no question is a daft one, one only learns by asking!

I am a bit concerned that the weimaraner is a “varying shade of brown”, I thought that they came on only one colour, grey?

Not sure what you meant by the dogs being fairly old, what is “fairly old”.

HD is a condition (rather than a disease) the causes of which are multifactorial. Genetics play a part (so heredity is an issue) but so do environmental factors. EG you could get a puppy from generations of stock that had good scores but if you over exercise, poorly feed etc the puppy then of course it is more likely to develop HD.

Personally I would not purchase a puppy from unscored breeding stock for several reasons:

a) My dogs are performance dogs and as such are required to negotiate 6ft scales, 9ft long jumps, 3ft high jumps, not to mention agility rounds and, more recently, be able to trot for 12.5 miles as well as several other tasks. I want to maximise my chances of success by purchasing a dog from stock that has undergone the relevant health checks and from proven lines of competitive success going back many generations which advertises their suitability for breeding. This is why I like the suitability for breeding tests carried out on many breeds in Germany etc that test for conformation, health and working ability etc before allowing them to breed.

b) breeders who health check their stock are demonstrating a “duty of care” to and for the breed, now and for generations to come, not just having puppies with no consideration to their health and welfare. People who cannot be bothered to do this for various spurious reasons should, IMHO, not be breeding at all. I know of far too many people who have purchased puppies from “breeders” who pay no attention to these issues and have had to endure the tragedy of early deaths, chronic disease etc (not to mention the needless the suffering the puppies have endured). Not withstanding that breeders can be sued for failing to take all precautions (and unfortunately you cannot prevent people from buying from such breeders, even after advice) some easily avoidable issues could have been prevented if advice had I) been sought and ii) been taken…………

c) I would not necessarily eliminate puppies from a sire/dam that had an above average hip score, because at least you are making an informed choice, rather than a guess! In some countries where hip scores are THE one and only deciding factor, there has been a danger of throwing the baby out with the bath water and eliminating many fabulous dogs from a breeding programme. A dog is more than a hip score after all.

FWIW if you were considering entering field trials or gundog tests of work, you will be unable to with a mongrel. Only gundogs registered on the KC breed registers can compete in these competitions. However you can of course compete in flyball, obedience, working trials, HWTM, agility etc with dogs that are registered on the Activity Register.

At the end of the day, if you like the dogs and you think you would like one of the puppies then go for it, but you might want to consider some of the points above.

Good luck anyway.

scotty wong

thanks for the replys i will find out more about the pups soon as i am going to see them.as they are cross breeds and the father is a brown gsp i would guess thats why they are brown??
by fairly old i mean they dont look like below 2ish i know thats not old but thought they may show hd by now,but that seems wrong.
as they are possible mistakes i'm guessing they were'nt screened before hand but i have been told they both work with hawks so i can watch them and look for stiffness.
i only want them for rough shoting/pet and not trials so the mongrel aspect is'nt a worry just that they are healthy.

thanks again and i will let you know more when i have seen them(thats if i can convince the girlfriend that a cross for £150 isnt that much worse than a pure breed Laughing

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scotty Smile

josie

Did you get one of these pups then Scotty and how's it going if you did?

scotty wong

hi ya,no i didnt get one in the end as the girlfriend was'nt convinced!!!! Surprised

and our housing ideas have changed(we are going to buy a plot of land and build a house and stables etc) so was'nt really a good time(i suppose!!!) but once everything sorted or at least i know where i'm living for more than ten minuets Laughing

(i'm back at my parents at the moment which aint great at 31) i will be getting a gsp in a heart beat.

scotty Very Happy