stevie blakloks
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HPR QUERRYDo you guys use your hprs for picking up in shoots and beating etc or are most hprs for falconry or can they be used for both because when i eventually do take up falconry i would hope to get an hpr that would be able to do both. ( the falconrys getting held up just now as i have a 10 month old springer to train- first time training a gundog!!!!!!!!!) 
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windem bang
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They can be and are used for both.
Bill T.
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countrygirl
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MY ex husband used our first wire for both, and I use mine for pocking up
Caz
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sako75
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| Quote: | | or are most hprs for falconry |
No , I would say the majority of HPR's (on here at least) are used in many different ways. Yes , some are used for falconry but probably most are used as rough shooting dogs.
There are many areas where HPR'S can be used effectively such as grouse counting , picking up on shoots , deer stalking / tracking , beating (although not ideal unless the ground suits their range) and probably their bread and butter - the walked up rough shooting dog. I use my weimaraners for walked up shooting and I like the fact that they pre-warn me the presence of game by holding a point and letting me get ready for the shot before the bird is flushed on command. A total different experience than say shooting over spaniels for example where a bird can be produced without prior warning.
The HPR suits my needs as a rough shooter and basically that is all that matters , what suits the individuals needs.
Barry.
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stevie blakloks
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Cheers for the info guys but being pointers do they not range to far out in front? I like to keep my spaniel bout 10-15 yards out but ive been told pointers tend to hunt further out.
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kiwi
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depends on the type of hpr.
big running breeds like gsp's can hunt further out like english pointers but breeds like britts are able to hunt closer all day.
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sako75
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| Quote: | | Cheers for the info guys but being pointers do they not range to far out in front? |
They do range further than your typical spaniels but this is not a problem if the dog has been taught to "hold" its point. By that I mean the dog effectively stays on point until you (the gun) have reached the dog and then sent it in to flush once you are right beside the dog. No use having an HPR that is 100yards out in front bumping game left right and centre.
Barry.
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Helen
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I found the couple of times I took my gwp beating (to get experience) I was constantly keeping her in all the time. I am using her for grouse counting and wanting to shoot over her next season so don't want her hunting close like my spaniels do. I have spaniels for beating and the pointing breeds for other jobs. However, if you only have an hpr, they can do both, although not ideal. There are a few threads on here about beating with your hpr.
What hpr breed are you looking at?
Helen
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stevie blakloks
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I intially was going to go for a britt but was reading shooting times last week and they had an article on an hpr practice day and there were hungarian vizlas (smooth) and they just look really striking and i was impressed by them so its between the 2
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Ghilliegumdrop
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Someone that I know put me off Vizla's by telling me that their's had stripped
the plaster off the kitchen wall and that others they had known also liked doing this 
Whereas, Brittanys don't tend to do this they do other stuff instead 
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windem bang
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I would say the main difference between the Brittany and the smooth hair type Viszla is that with the viszla you are likely to spend some time and effort urging it on while with the the brittany you will spend time and effort getting it back in . Both breeds can be awkward about retrieving. I would have to say that if I really wanted an H.P.R. for going beating with , I would take the viszla before the brittany - as a general rule they are "softer" and more easily controlled.
Bill T.
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kiwi
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i have a mate gary who is a vizsla breeder and he also has a few birds, he comes on here sometimes so you should talk to him.
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stevie blakloks
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Thanks mate that would help alot!!!! Windem bang what you mean bout the britts are they more headstrong than the vizlas or is it cos they got a spaniel in there name lol
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windem bang
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I.M.O. the viszla and the brittany are poles apart in their attitudes to hunting. I am NOT saying the brittany is a spaniel - just the opposite, think of it as a small setter and you won't be too far out. Brittanies love to hunt and need very little encouragement to do so. They vary in range from medium right out to long distance while the viszla tends to be close to medium in its range.
I once saw a viszla bitch take a grouse moor apart but she was exceptional , I have never seen one to match her since. If I remember correctly she was owned and worked by Sylvia Cox.
I.M.O. the brittany is considerably more headstrong than the viszla, most viszlas are soft in temperament while most brittanies are simply temperamental !
The first ever H.P.R. I tried to train was a viszla bitch - she would not retrieve and she would not hunt grass longer than bowling green length ! This gave me a rather jaundiced view of the breed. On the other hand the first brittany I trained actually trained me !!! My personal prefernce is the brittany but if I wanted a dog to go beating with I'd prefer the viszla - they just aren't as hard going ! Anything for an easy life.
Bill T.
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johnhod
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| Quote: | | most brittanies are simply temperamental ! |
Don't you mean that most Brittanys are MENTAL?
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windem bang
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Yes, they are that too !!! The brittany is probably the most aggravating breed I've ever trained. That is the reason I like 'em and it is also the reason I dislike them ! They are little sh**s ! - I say that semi admiringly !!!! The phrase from the firework industry always pops into my mind when I send a brittany off hunting - - - - - - "Light the blue touch paper and retire !" Terrific little dogs but maybe not for a beginner handler.
Bill T.
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cressy
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..... and if you make a 14 month old Brittany sit in a bluebell wood for a nice photo this is the reaction you get
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guy
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sallie
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Beautiful picture Guy - she is so very much like Monet ... they have to be related somewhere down the line!
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Helen
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Wow, great photos of Brits in bluebells!
Helen
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JR VIZ
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I use WHV's for falconry then the same dog will go beating then rough shooting &
picking up. If it's the first dog you have trained then i would say go for a vizsla's
as they are very easy to train
Try to see all hpr's working if possible then make your own mind up as your own
the dog for 10yrs +
Good luck
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stevie blakloks
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cheers mate how do u find the vizlas i see it says you got em??
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JR VIZ
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| stevie blakloks wrote: | | cheers mate how do u find the vizlas i see it says you got em?? |
Hi Stevie
I think you find that you only get out what you put in, that applys
for most things in life.
I can only tell you about my dogs, im no expert but i have found that the WHV's are very easy to train they learn very quikly and there training starts at a early age also very steady around birds of prey but so are other breeds. Best have a good look around at working dogs that way you can make your own mind up, but these are so good all round, something i thought i'd never find in a working breed.
You are more than welcome to see my dogs work if you wish but i can't show them working with hawks until the sesson kicks off as the birds are moulting at the moment
At the moment im working on my 10 month old bitch and she is going very well. I have 5 working dogs so take your pick
If you do decide to take on a WHV let me know as im dew a litter in 1 week, my first 
JR
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