mick
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Not a good start to lifeYesterday my gwp pup was born. Was a day I have been waiting for for nearly 2 years.
Unfortunately the bitch had to have a C section as she appears to have been dliberately poisioned  She went to the due date so the pups have a fighting chance there but they will be without mum for a few days yet at least if she come through. The pups are home and being hand fed for now and we can only hope mum is back within the first week.
How much of a disadvantage to the pups is it to not have the colostrum (sp) and the early bonding with mum?
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weima
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I've had a bitch who had a c section & the pups were fine - in fact one of them I have just made up to Sh Ch  It was a few hours before they fed from her but they seemed OK.
I have had another bitch who had NO milk at all, not even a drop so I hand fed the litter of 8 every 2 hours for 2.5 weeks  Those pups were fine & are now 8.5 years old. I started to wean them & then her milk started  The pups suckled from her all the time just didn't get anything from them!
Hope your pup will be OK and the bitch of course. Having had a bitch [in fact the same one who had the c section] be poisoned only this year I know how worrying it is.
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Bareve
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Mick
I'm sorry to hear about the poor bitch and her puppies being born in such a way
The Mustwork people completely hand reared a very big litter of wirehairs after the bitch died a few hours after a c-section. They obviously found it hard work to feed and clean every couple of hours but they did it and the pups seemed to manage far better than we all could have hoped.
Over here in the UK you can get colustrum type milk which people use in these instances and if the breeder (is it Jason?) can get hold of the Royal Canin milk for puppies over there in NZ then that is a brilliant milk product for puppies.
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kiwi
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pups are doing ok, mum is knocking on deaths door sadly
we shall know in the next 24 hours if she's going to make it, major liver overload and almost shutdown.
not my litter but sired by sweep, the litter is a few hours away but i will find more out tomm when i go over to do the tails and dew claws.
they had a lactating lab bitch there today so hopefully she is able to help out.
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countrygirl
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fingers crossed for mum and babies 
Caz
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Claire
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How very sad indeed, even more so that the poor bitch was poisoned on purpose 
Keeping everything crossed for the dam and her babes. I hope she gets to see them and nurse them as nature intends!
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Helen
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What an awful thing to happen! Why would someone poison her??
Fingers well and truly crossed mother and pups are ok.
Helen
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Bareve
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Fingers crossed for the bitch and I hope the scum who has poisioned her get's his/her just rewards 
I hope the lab will take the pups on as she will do a far better job than the pups being hand reared - it is such a hard job to hand rear and the pups generally aren't so robust.
Keep us posted Jason
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mick
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I went down and saw them today. Bitch is 100% better than yesterday and is eating now. We took the smallest pup back to the lab today but she had very little milk. Bitch is producing a small amount of milk but not enough for the hungry mouths and they are being bottle fed mostly. Bitch is lying with the pups and sort of cleaning them but not properly.
She had alot of fluid in her uteris which may have been putting pressure on her kidneys and caused the problem, not poision.
Things are on the way up. Bit of a change from a day ago when the vet rang to see what time during the night she passed away.
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Bareve
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I'm pleased to see that the bitch seems to be better than she was 
If she feels "rough" then she may not want to clean the puppies so you can suggest the breeder get some human baby wipes to use themselves if they think the bitch isn't getting the pups to pee and poo as they puppies cannot do that themselves at this stage. Or if she is doing a bit of cleaning then could gently smear something like butter on the puppies in the hopes that the bitch tries to wash the butter off and thereby cleans the pups up at the same time.
In an ideal world then the bitch should be keeping them clean but providing they know that the puppies are peeing and pooing if their little bodies are a bit mucky then it's not the end of the world - use the baby wipes if they are bad.
Keeping the puppies suckling off the bitch will encourage the milk to come in but the most important is to make sure the pups don't de-hydrate so keep their fluids topped up.
If the bitch remains "under par" then the breeder will be able to start and introduce solid foods from about 14 days old - not ideal but it can be done. But if that has to be done then don't go bothering introducing milky stuff - go straight onto softened kibble as there is more goodness in the kibble than milky stuff. Years ago we hand reared a cocker from 14 days on this but we had to pop the kibble pieces into his mouth for his first few feeds and then let him suck on our finger as he didn't know what to do with the kibble but he learnt very quickly to eat the kibble and he didn't look back.
Keep us posted - especially about the bitch
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kiwi
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not good news...........................i think i want a sweep pup
bitch is up and around, milking up..slowly and fussing like a new mum over her pups, spent a few hours with her and she polished off a plate of food and is almost ready to take over the toilet duties for the pups fully.
the pups are all pretty even in weight apart from the runt most over 500g and very mobile.
made sure the owners are making sure if somethings going in one end it must have something coming out the other 
they will be handfeed as much as possible in case her milk dries up so hopefully things work out right....fingers crossed.
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mick
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Sounds like she's getting better by the hour. 
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Bareve
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Jason
That is good news.
If the pups are suckling and the bitch is eating (get her eating lots of little meals 4 or 5 a day if need be) she will start to produce milk - maybe not as much as she would have done but it's nature - pups want and take milk and the bitch produces milk. It's the trigger that often keeps a bitch in milk in a foster bitch situation after her own pups have been weaned.
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Claire
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Great advice there Sharon
I am so glad that the bitch seems to be on the up. Sounds like they all now stand a very good chance indeed.
Well done to all concerned
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Liz
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Glad to hear things are going better - hope all continues well for mum and pups.
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münstermanager
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still keeping fingers crossed here for both Mum & Pups. Really good to catch up just now and hear the progress over the last couple of days. Do hope the bitch continues to improve.
All the best
Sue
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mick
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Well, things are well on the improve. If you didnt know what happened you couldnt tell by looking at her.
She is eating, milking up and the pups are putting on weight.
Normal transmission has resumed.
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countrygirl
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Thats Great news
Caz
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Greyghost
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Yaaaay
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mick
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Well they were 4 weeks yesterday. Sadly the small liver male died after about a week. THe rest of them are doing well and they are already nearly 2 kg's in weight.
I am taking the kids down to see them today so that will be fun.
This a pic of my girl.
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Bareve
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Gosh that time went quickly didn't it. Delighted to hear that they have now reached 4 wks old and the picture of your puppy is delightful
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BenB
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bloody hell! what a journey before they have even started. Fingers crossed that the others and yours do well from now on.
Best of luck
Cheers
Ben
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mick
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Heres a couple more from today.
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kiwi
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and a few more, the white coated black pups are a bit strange, be interesting to see the coats once they start to darken up
puppies and kids a great mix
bit off topic but spring is in the air at my mates place, as well as pups his Kaimanawai mare gave birth too.
these are feral horses that live wild in the central north island, the govt round them up and sell them to pet homes every few years to keep the numbers in check, they make great ponies for the kids.
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Lisa
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Gosh! What a journey those pups have been on and how fantastic that mum pulled through too!! Sad about one of the pups dying though
Great pics!!
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tashap
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gorgeous, nice to see a new foal as well
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mick
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6 weeks now.
Got a deer this weekend and bought out some skin for the pups.
Heres my girl right into it.
Tug of war time.
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tashap
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I did deer skin they loved it, also did fox cub tails the frenzy over those was the creation of a great game of chase (only had two tails between 8 pups but they all picked them).
What I really wish I'd been able to get hold of though was a bit of boar skin, couldn't find it for love nor money then once they'd gone someone brought some in for me.
Has she got a name yet????
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mick
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Heidi
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tashap
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oooo thats lovely
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Emma_
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I just read this thread. What an awful start of life the puppies got and poor mum who was poisoned. Nice to read that everything went well and the puppies look adorable!
My weim's mum got snake bitten when she was about to have her last litter. Sadly, all puppies died except one. The one male that survived is now a big, handsome young boy and the breeder could of course not give him away. First he was called the Hose (because of the snake bite) but now he is called Visa, simply because he was such an expensive pup 
His official name is Snake Charmer though
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mick
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Well she is 8 weeks today and I am heading off to pick her up.
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Blue
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fantastic! Best of luck and of course, pictures are a must!
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Bareve
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Excellent news Mick - can't wait to see the pictures and hear all about her antics
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tashap
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now the fun begins!!! Enjoy
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mick
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Fist few pics of her checking out the new digs.
One of here BIG brother who came home with me for a mate.
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tashap
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sorry but I'd have loved the bottom one who could resist that little hairy face Enjoy your new pupster she looks a stunner.
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