BritAnnie
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Pedigree endorsmentsI have just received the following message from teh KC regarding endorsements:
Thank you for your email, assuming that an endorsement has been placed in accordance with the rules and regulations it will not be removed without the breeders permission regardless of how many "new owners" a dog may have.
If an endorsement is not placed correctly it will be removed should the puppy owner object, however before this happens the Kennel Club will contact the breeder to advise them of a puppy owners objection and to clarify whether the endorsement was placed correctly.
I have attached a copy of the leaflet regarding the placing of endorsements for your information.
I hope this helps, however if you have any further queries please do not hesitate to contact me.
Kind regards
Candy Elton
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josie
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What does this "placed correctly" mean? You just tick a box on the registration form, I thought? So how can it be placed correctly or incorrectly?
I suspect what this really means is that if the new owner argues that they have met all the criteria but the breeder is still refusing, then the endorsement will be lifted. Unfortunately there is often just the breeder's word against the new owner's word as to what the criteria was. (Breeding contracts don't stand up legally, I was told.)
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BritAnnie
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leaflet on endorsementsTo my mind, the regulation is clear cut. If an endorsement has been placed on a puppy and the new owner signs a contract which states that an endorsement is in place then it cannot be removed except by the breeder. These endorsements are placed for very good reasons. In my breed, a Brittany bitch is far too young to have a litter unless they are at least two years old, sometimes not even then, but there has to be a set point. We also have Hip dysplasia in the breed which with careful and responsible breeding, coupled with endorsements, we are gradually eliminating. We have one or two other health problems which a veterinary examination at 2 years old would pick up, again a reason for endorsement. Most responsible breeders will read the attached leaflet which explains that dual sales contracts are the seal on an endorsement.
Annie
Anne Massie, Treasurer BCGB
Click to download file
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Ghilliegumdrop
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The contract should CLEARLY state which/what criteria and at what age it has to be met before the endorsment is lifted.But, what happens if the dog/bitch is sold on and the new owners are not made aware of the terms of the original contract which the first owners presumably signed? They are not obliged in law, to pass it on and/or explain it I presume, in any case it could well have been lost.
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weima
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Breeding endorsements will work if the breeder sells a pup to a buyer with an endorsment & both parties are clear about the endorsment. However, if the buyer of the pup then resells the pup and the new buyer is not made aware of the endorsment then the KC will register a litter of pups irrespective of the endorsment.
I know I have had it done to me 
All my puppies, male & female are sold with contracts which clearly states that there are endorsments placed on the puppies registrations. I sign this, the new owners sign it & we each get a copy.
One puppy I sold with a contract & a breeding endorsment was then transferred to a 3rd party [when she was 18 months old] without my knowledge. The 3rd party were unaware of any contract or endorsments & consequently bred from the bitch [now 3 years old]. I noticed in the BRS that the bitch had had a litter & queried it with the KC. I was told that the new owners were not aware of any endorsment so that made the endorsment worthless.
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josie
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 I wonder to what extent the KC would do this. I mean, what if one person bought a dog with restrictions and then "sold" it to their boyfriend/girlfriend/partner/spouse of a different name who claimed they weren't aware of the restrictions to the KC...?! Makes you wonder.
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weima
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| josie wrote: | | I wonder to what extent the KC would do this. I mean, what if one person bought a dog with restrictions and then "sold" it to their boyfriend/girlfriend/partner/spouse of a different name who claimed they weren't aware of the restrictions to the KC...?! Makes you wonder. |
Well I have heard that this has been done but to be honest the average pet person wouldn't even think about doing it. All they want is a loving family pet. But there are always exceptions.
Having had a 'bad' exoerience with the endorsment, I have to say that I still endorse my pedigrees with the hope it never happens again.
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Sally
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Yes we endorse all of ours and have a lengthy contract spelling out everything.
I really wish that the KC could actually support breeders in this matter, after all we are the people making the decisions on new owners and whether dogs are suitable for breeding. If the breeder has done it correctly it shouldn't matter what happens later.
I had a guy on the phone awhile ago asking me advice over an urgent problem - a friend of his with a bitch Weim wanted to use his dog at stud, but when he checked his paperwork the dog was still registered to the breeder (not unusual!). His first action was to ring the KC whereupon he was advised that it didn't matter so long as he had the dogs registration number. Well as far as I'm aware you need the signatures of the two registered owners but sounds as if they are happy to bend any rule rather than lose the registration of a litter. The guy sorted out the problem before the mating but I do wonder about the advice that the KC issues.
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