Plans for longhaired weimaraner litter

pastel · Plans for longhaired weimaraner litter

I am planning to take my German import longhaired bitch to Germany in the next 2 weeks to mate with Gerhard Eiben's long haired stud dog Vosbroek's Fjord, both he and my bitch have good working bloodlines .
If anyone is interested in these German bloodlines please PM me and i can supply more info

Marjolein

Good luck with this breeding. I'll be using Frodo as well. We've actually been hunting with Gerd and Frodo and he really surprised us. He has the most fantastic character as well!!!!

pastel

Thanks, its a long haul going to germany but its worth it....... Pele's puppies were all good strong puppies and training well but we thought we would have a change of bloodlines, Gerhard said he is very strong and he has done well with his tests so far, My husband saw him last year in germany and said he was a beautiful dog.

weima

Gosh I can hardly believe it's a year since she had her last litter Shocked

And if she is pregnant that will be 2 LH litters in the UK at the same time....at least I'll have somewhere to send people when I get the enquiries now!

langhaar

Out of interest are their any differences between long and short apart from their coat ?

Are there any hpr traits which are more pronounced in one than the other ?

Where did the longhaired gene come from when short is dominant over long ?

pastel

I have LH and SH Weimaraners and my LH's seem to be more laid back, not sure if anyone else has found that as well?
In Germany, mostly shorthaired (SH) dogs were used for hunting land fowl. Water fowl were hunted primarily with longhaired (LH) dogs. Members of the Delegate Commission, which was the forerunner of the Jagdgebrauchshundeverbandes- - JGHV (a hunting/working dog club), eagerly tried to copy the sleek aristocratic English hunting dogs. They did however dock the tails to create a distinguishing feature.

The LH Weimaraners poorly matched this desired ideal. They did appear from time to time, as is evidenced in the old classified ads, but were not used for breeding. One reason for its rarity might have been the fact that the LH gene is recessive. Shorthair is the dominant trait. LH x LH always produces LH. Sometimes, LH puppies will appear from two SH parents, if both parents have some LH blood. The "mixed” blood is not always obvious in the SH Weimaraner.

pastel

I have LH and SH Weimaraners and my LH's seem to be more laid back, not sure if anyone else has found that as well?
In Germany, mostly shorthaired (SH) dogs were used for hunting land fowl. Water fowl were hunted primarily with longhaired (LH) dogs. Members of the Delegate Commission, which was the forerunner of the Jagdgebrauchshundeverbandes- - JGHV (a hunting/working dog club), eagerly tried to copy the sleek aristocratic English hunting dogs. They did however dock the tails to create a distinguishing feature.

The LH Weimaraners poorly matched this desired ideal. They did appear from time to time, as is evidenced in the old classified ads, but were not used for breeding. One reason for its rarity might have been the fact that the LH gene is recessive. Shorthair is the dominant trait. LH x LH always produces LH. Sometimes, LH puppies will appear from two SH parents, if both parents have some LH blood. The "mixed” blood is not always obvious in the SH Weimaraner.

pastel

Claire I have PM you!
Nicky

langhaar

So it's for appearance only ?
How many longhaired Weims are born in the UK?

Mike

weima

langhaar

So their colour came from a dilution of black brackens which were scent hounds and were bred for their tracking skills ( leash dogs ) ie as most other German hunting breeds for work " after the gun ".

How did they keep the grey dilution if they were then mated with setters and pointers and did the recessive homozygous kk for longhair come from setter blood ? So none of the breed clubs keep records of heterozygous bloodlines ?

pastel

there were around 100 in Gb could be a few more now, My bitch had 7 puppies last year so a few more now! as well as any other litters born, not sure how many other LH breeders had litters last year....... I definately think they are more , although my Brisitsh bred LH born in 89 was totally different to my german bitch, she is larger and tougher all round!

langhaar

Thanks for information, it's interesting to learn about breeds I haven't owned.

Larry thinks there have been 2 Sh Ch longhaired Weims, is he right ?

weima

pastel

My first bitch in 89 was sired by Pondrige Practical Joker ........

langhaar

He remembers giving Joker a BOB and a couple of weeks later or so David Layton gave him his first ticket. He was asked why a longhair, he said why not when it's the best on the day!

pastel

good for him! we did actually make it to crufts with my bitch in 2006 but my bitch found it really boring and didn't have any show charisma that day! She'd have rather been out hunting......but it was an eye opener for an amatuer like me

langhaar

Good luck with your ideals, it's not easy when you are breeding a minority out side or within a breed. Interesting too to read German lines are giving you what you want.

josie

Wish we had a bigger house; would love to add a LH Weim to our SH and Slovak (wirehair!). Would be crazy to have those 3 lengths of grey coats! (Yes, obviously we'd have to have serious reasons to get one too and it's not about coat lengths!)

pastel

Hi Josie, how are you! remember our paths crossed quite a bit in 2005 when you were starting with Slate? it is Hassle I am talking about, do you remember her?

Nicky

tashap

not sure I would go to the US club site for information on the longhair considering they don't recognise it and are the only country in the world that don't, yet they recognise the blue which no one else does.

The longhairs are popular and they have done well in more areas than just the show ring, Mace for example is a great field worker as well as a crufts exhibit, others have done well in working trials and our most qualified dog is a longhair which I am sure Allyson would be more than happy to give you a long list of qualifications that Twiggy has.

There is also an easy way to see if there is a LH gene in the SH via the longhair coat test that was offered a couple of years ago via the canadians and now via the AHT a simple swab can now tell you if your dog is a carrier. Mine aren't but they have been tested out of interest.

Unlike the SRHP the longhair hasn't been recreated its always been there in the background the german club did at one point refuse to register them but had a change of heart after much discussion I think in the 30's. There is a possibility that there is a wire coat its not a true wire but a second type was discovered when they were doing the tests for the LH most of the dogs have a wavy coat on the back can't remember the name of the waves... brain like a sieve at the moment. They were developing a further test but I don't know if this ever got off the ground.

http://www.aht.org.uk/genetics_coatlength.html

The above is the LongHaired Coat Test by the AHT quite cheap for a DNA test at £32

josie

HI Nicky, We're doing well thanks - yes I remember Hassle - has she been much (hassle?!) - good luck with the litter and well done for going abroad and bringing new blood over to the UK!

langhaar

There has been an incidence of a recessive longhair gene in the vizsla which came from an influx of setter blood in the 1930's in Hungary, some lh puppies have been in litters in the USA and Europe but not so in the UK.
Same again in pointers with ressesive lh in some lines due to setter blood. Wondered where your longhair came from in weims ?

weima

Yes there is setter blood in there

tashap

yes setter thats what I was always told but no way to actually prove it, mores the pity.

I think the waves in the coat possibly indicating a third coat type are called ducal waves?? But I could be wrong have a brain like a sieve at the moment.