Rambling discussion on GWP colour amongst other things

Danielle Mason · Rambling discussion on GWP colour amongst other things

Due to unforseen interference and aggravation this post has caused, the dog in question is only available to friends and by recommendation.
Please disregard.

Bareve · Re: GWP-STUD DOG

langhaar

Grizzly Wilfull Performer at stud to any poor bitch who will have him!

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weima

Danielle Mason · Stud

What is the problem with advertising on here. This section clearly states that stud dogs can be posted.

Danielle Mason · Stud dog

I would not dream of putting my dog under anaesthetic just for hip scoring. Many people in our breed actually dont yet go on to breed from their dogs. VWD tested clear and eyes clear. There are many people breeding that don't perform any of these tests. This i suppose goes for people breeding from dogs with tri-colour in their lines and dogs with serious faults.

weima · Re: Stud dog

weima · Re: Stud dog

Danielle Mason · Stud

Well no. My dog has had vwd and eyes tested and i dont want his hips scored, thats my choice and i dont think its anybodys place to say otherwise. Everybody goes on about the relevent testing and nobody is open enough to state that there are some dogs with faults. Just because the tests come back clear does not mean that a dog or bitch is of standard to be bred from and it certainly does not dismiss other serious faults such as temperment problems ect.

weima

Danielle Mason · Stud dog

Yes but a dog with a temperment problem and serios faults should not be bred from.

weima · Re: Stud dog

windem bang

I suppose we will have to go along with it for lack of anything better but I.M.O. the H.D. scoring system is far from perfect. I've seen dogs with horrendous hip scores happily working into ripe old age while those with much better scores become cripples. There must be other factors involved in this than those revealed by an X -ray.

Bill T.

Linda W

No testing is perfect. There have been Munsters who have had their elbows tested as 0 but went on to have dysplasia Sad

However, as a breeder, I wouldn't use any dog that hadn't had the relevant test(s) for the breed done. I now won't use a dog that hasn't had the elbows done, but at the moment that is not required by the club.

We have to try to limit any problems, and by testing we are at least seen to be doing something.

johnhod

Sorry but I can't see why this discussion is going on. Danielle has offered a dog up as a potential stud. If you want to use it, do so. If you don't want to, then don't.

Ghilliegumdrop

Merlin is having his hips done in about 6 weeks....at the same time they are searching for his brain Twisted Evil

bighairydog · Stud

Hi all,
By way of introduction I am Danni's partner and owner of Gunnar, she posted him up as a surprise for me, surprised I am that it could cause so much discussion.
This is my standing on relevant issue of HD. Gunnars sire and dam both had excellent scores so I haven't felt the need to put my 'pride and joy' through all that, I would be crest fallen to lose him through GA just for a hip score.
To my knowledge, at least I am led to believe it isn't a requirement in the breed, but will check on that to make sure.
Obviously if it is a requirement or recommended then I will have to bite the bullet and have them done.
The previous litter he sired was as a favour to someone in the breed who was advised that her bitch would possibly need speying due to constant phantom pregnancies.

wire in the blood

weima

I agree Bill, the scoring system is far from perfect but it does give people a degree of satisfaction that the dogs are scored.

For instance, I had a bitch who had a VERY high hip score so I didn't breed from her & she has to this day, nearly 11 years old, no hip problems & muscle bound. O the other hand I mated a bitch with a low score & she produced a dog with HD Shocked

It is not an exact science but I do feel that if the dogs are scored and there is a problem with the offspring then there can be come back.

windem bang

Hi, while I may not think much of H.D. tests we really don't have anything else to go by to try to eradicate H.D. as a problem. Whether you have your dog tested or not is between you and any future puppy buyers or potential bitch owners who might want his services.

Good luck and welcome to the forum.

Bill T.

langhaar

Some dogs with quite bad hips lead full and active lives so causing cynics and opposers of hip schemes to argue the condition is not as important as genetisists and vets imply. It is certainly true that some dysplastic dogs do cope very well with HD but it is equally true that many do not..... HD will impair the lives of most dogs that have the problem but all dogs benefit from good hips and no benefits at all ensue from poor ones.

As breeders we have a responsibility to try to combat this problem.Failure to do so through ignorance is one thing but failure to to do anything because of sheer obstinancy is inexcusable.Many of the the most frequent critics of hip schemes argue from positions of ignorance and an obstinate belief they are right and the rest of the world is out of step.Some have a genuine concern that anaesthesia will result in the death of their beloved dog.Alas, while some have died under anaesthetic... this is tragic but the numbers of such deaths are infinitesimal compared with the total number of dogs undergoing anaesethia. ( since this was written most vets sedate for hip scoring ). Finally one must understand that for every dog which dies from anaesthetic hundreds will be killed because their hips are poor.Hip screening by x-ray involves some degree of risk but from a breed point of view the risk has to be taken since the failure to combat HD is a far greater risk to the breed.

Malcolm Willis Practical Genetics for Dog Breeders.

bighairydog · HD

To continue on this vein, I have been reliably informed that I was correct in that GWP's are a breed that dont specifically suffer from hip problems, however that is not to say that individual dogs wont have problems.
I dont know, maybe I will have him scored but am not running out in a hurry to do so.
There are other issues in the breed that need addressing which are infinately more important than the slight chance of hip problems?????

wire in the blood

sashalgwps · Re: Stud dog

sashalgwps · Re: HD

Danielle Mason · HD

It looks as though i have been wrongly informed on HD testing and the KC advisory. Although 90% of GWPs do not have temperment problems, i have witnessed a few that have and yet they are still being bred from. Both parents of our dog have brilliant hip scores and i dont feel it necessary to do so. Our dog is vwd and eyes clear though. if somebody wishes to use our dog at stud and has a problem with hips not beeing scored then that is between us and them, but having alot of interest from breeders i dont think it is a problem as of yet as nobody is feeling this is a must.

Linda W

Head in the sand comes to mind here.

Just because a dogs parents have good scores does not mean that the dog itself will have. It could just as easily have a very high hip score.

Danielle Mason · Stud dog

So why test at all? It was just an advert, if people want to use him then they are free to enquire and if they dont then dont enquire. I am allowed to have my own oppinion on this and nobody has the right to judge. i do not see what all of the fuss is about. I do not think it is a must for my dogs. Its getting a bit out of hand now. If people dont want to use a dog with no hip scoring done then they wont.

tashap

I had my dogs tested under sedation rather than GA and there were no problems at all it was a very easy process and something I would recommend to others if they are not comfortable with doing it under GA. The cost of having it done is minimal in comparison to a single litter at stud so and is a basic requirement of the breed as has already been mentioned on the KC's breed health recommendations.

Unless your concerned that he has HD I can't see any reason not to have the test done if your offering him for stud.

munstyman

Bareve · Re: Stud dog

bighairydog · mis-informed?????

Seems I may be mis-informed so will contact the BVA on monday and have them clarify the situation. I am not really interested in what the breed club says as I am not a member nor intend being one.
Obviously as a responsible dog owner should it be necessary to hip score then I will have to before my boy goes out to stud again, or breed @in house', I am possibly overcautious borderline paranoid of GA having lost a dog of my own under GA and another family member having lost one of theirs as well.
I personally haven't seen a tri in this country, but there was a recent article in one of the dog publications if memory serves that there was tri's at show??????.
Hope you are all having a wonderful weekend,

wire in the blood

countrygirl

When my dogs were available at stud they had the test's needed. Unfortunatly there are people within every breed that dont think it necessery, my feelings are that this is more apparent in working dogs where the owners are more interested in the working ability than health checks. The execption to this being Labs where everywhere is aware there is a problem within the breed.

There are alot of wire puppies looking for homes at the moment a look at one web site shows this and dare I say some seem to be coming from a puppy farmer suppose it has to happen sometime, a great shame for a wonderful breed and at the end of the day it will be the breed club that picks up the pieces.

Caz

windem bang

I think it would be interesting, perhaps even enlightening, if H.D. testing could be done on truly wild dogs and on wolves. How badly are wild dog populations affected by H.D. ? Could testing our dogs wild living relatives tell us anything ? Are we perhaps breeding FOR H.D. while trying to breed for some other characteristic ?

Bill T.

kiwi

welcome to the forum bighairy dog and danielle Very Happy

first up how about a few pic's of the man Wink

seems you have already had a bit of a hard time on your lack of HD testing, i can see both sides and for me if looking for a sire i would chose a stud that has been scored over one that hasn't, however i would also use a dog that hasn't been scored if it came from scored parents such as yours, i think every 2nd generation is better than none at all Rolling Eyes

from a different veiw of HD and a working dog i will like to give an example of our nz huntaway, the breed is our dog used to muster sheep off the hills and mountains using it's big booming bark and phyical strength to work from sun up to sun down in the heat and cold day after day, they are true working dogs with stamina and brains you have to see to believe, compared to a gundog they live a very hard life, however they are the most happiest of dogs you could ever met, tails wagging and full of energy waiting for the next job.
the breed has inground HD and a long history of it. most huntaways have terrible hips and never see a vets office, worker to worker breedings have gone on many decades yet these dogs still work themselves right into old age even with the lack of hip scoring, any problem dogs or pups that have weak hips are put down so the natural breeding of only the fit survives has gone on for along time down on the farm.
a few vets have started to hip score and gather data on the breed and in some lines they have seen that it has corrected itself so they are actually very healthly even with the scores being high.

Bareve · Re: mis-informed?????

josie

I had Slate hip-scored at 1 yr even though she wouldn't be bred from (3/3), just because I think it's useful information to have on record if any of her siblings are bred from, if matings are repeated etc etc.

Grey is also going to be scored in a couple of months' time. Again, I've no idea if she will be bred from. I'll just have all mine scored at 12 mnths as a matter of course, regardless of whether they'll be bred from or not.

langhaar

Using studies of wolves would be inappropriate despite both having 78 chromosomes.The dog has been domisticated for thousands of years and humans have selectivly bred for looks, behaviour and function.Wolves do suffer to a mild degree as does the dingo, also cats, horsesc cattle and rabbits.

I'm sure the GWP imported from Denmark had all necessary health checks before importation including a hip score. The buyer was in a position to pay for his purchase knowing the dog was as free from those genetic problems which could be tested. As for temperament and working ability I'm sure the owners proved this for themselves when they visited its Danish owner.

Hip dysplacia is caused by a multi faceted combination of genes.To state the dam and the sire of a litter have good hip scores so all future litters by this combination will be free of dysplacia is not correct. Weima has experienced this herself.

The question I would like to put is why are we so against testing in the UK when most other countries of quality stock see this as an essential part of breeding and have regulations to make sure this is done.There was an interesting comment in Dog World which states if we don't become self regulatory re genetic disorders then DEFRA will certainly step in. The days of breeding regardless of genetic problems are numbered and in my opinion rightly so.One HV bitch as been bred from with a hip score of 56.

How do you know GWP's are free from dysplacia when too few are x- rayed.

We bury our heads in the sand and if some poor sucker buys a dog with problems, who cares, I've cashed the cheque.

OH for dogs to be sold under Sales of Goods Legislation ! Would you buy a car unless it's been checked?

I once ran a Renal Transplant Unit in the 80's and 90's and in those days we had to make choices of who received treatment and who didn't.Most kidney disease is caused by inherited genetic problems.I still have to live with those decisions 20 years later. Having seen first hand this suffering in humans why, why why do we allow this in dogs when hip dysplacia can be so easily eradicated by responsible breeding. If you don't think it's not such a big deal go and work in a vets and experience for yourself what your obstinancy has achieved.

lagopuslagopus

I'm all for the testing. Inca has had all of her tests (hips, elbows, shoulders, eyes) before being mated. All done under sedation (apart from eyes). I also think that once a dog has been x-rayed the plates should have to go for scoring, instead of the ones that don't look good just being ignored and only the good ones being scored! We might then get a more realistic breed average score. She was also tested (out of interest) for the brown and tri genes. She carries neither.

Danielle Mason · Mis-informed

As i have said previously i have lost a dog to GA before and do not wish this to happen again. I Will however contact other vets about sedation as this seems to be a better solution. Having enquired before about this there certainly isn't any in our area. Can anybody advise of were is best to go? The Tri-colour comment was just an example but surely sharon even you can see that there is dogs being bred from that have iffy temperments? I wasn't aware that hip scoring was a requirement in our breed. I couldnt get onto the club site whan trying to find out what was to be done ( this was back in october). I do appologise and will agree that i was totally wrong. But surely you can all see why i have my doubts when i have lost a dog to GA before and also my mothers dog was lost due to this. Our dogs just mean too much for that. Sharron could you possibly pm me a list of the requirements and also advise of a good vet that will sedate. Thank you for everything.

munstyman

I understand your concerns about GA, at the time of my first LM there was a spate of LM's not coming out of GA's, so I pushed for sedation with all my dogs since. However the last time my vet opted for GA informing me that GA's have moved on at pace and now they concider its safer than sedation as the effects can be reversed quicker and modern monitoring techniques can respond quicker to any reactions.
I guess it boils down to the relationship you have with your vet practice, and the vet who will do the work, mine have learnt to listen to my concerns, and I've learnt to trust their abilities.
Peter

bighairydog

Bareve

lagopuslagopus

Hi Sharon,

They can have the brown markings on their eyebrows, sides of the face and the bottom part of the legs if I remember correctly. There have been quite a few photos of the tri pups lately on the ScottishMunsters website. You'll need to ask Helen about the tri test as she got them done.

weima

lagopuslagopus

Yes, it is actually a tan point gene and no they're not allowed just like the brown/white ones.

weima

That's the same as the Weim then although I have known a few Sh Ch with tan features Shocked

Bareve

lagopuslagopus

All the ones I've seen have been black/white with the tan bits.
http://www.scottishmunsters.com - look on this Sharon and scroll down to the bottom - there's a lovely photo.

http://www.scottishmunsters.co.uk There's more on here I think

Bareve · Re: Mis-informed

Bareve

Bareve

windem bang

It has been about 16 years since I last had a dog X- rayed for H.D. but then it has been that length of time since I last bred from one of my dogs. Smile

The vets I approached insisted that the testing scheme only accepted x-rays taken under G.A.

I was fortunate enough to have as friends two English vets who did the job for me without G.A. --- I hope things have changed for the better by now .

Bill T.

tashap

my comment was not meant as offence only as an observation. Hip Scoring really isn't that big a deal to get done.

There was a girl at the seminar today that has a tri colour munsterland it has brown marks on its feet and elsewhere that they got just before xmas. They aren't worried about it themselves as its a pet but are looking to work it which is nice to see.

Claire

I can understand your concerns about a GA. I had the same concerns when I was getting one of my weimaraners hip scored. I have a fear of GAs full stop, including any that I have had to have myself.

I travelled up to Perth because this vet came very highly recommended. My breeder has used him for years and people travel a long way to get their dogs scored by this vet. He uses Domitor and then the reversal which means your dog will walk out, pretty much the same way as it went in, except it will be a little sleepy. Infact Whistle happily jumped into the back of the car after she had been hipscored. What is also excellent about this vet is that he knows exactly how to position the hips in order to get a pretty accurate score. The placing of the hips is very important and I have heard that some vets know how to place the hips in order to get a very good score and I have heard that other vets don't place the hips very well and the score has been higher than perhaps it should be. My own vet also uses Domitor but I figured that if I was putting my dog through hip scoring I wanted to go to a very experienced vet.

If you decide to go down the route of hip scoring and are willing to travel to Perth then PM me and I'll gladly give you the vets details. When I booked my dog in I explained that I was travelling some distance and they were very accommodating in that they allowed me to drop my dog off first thing and then collect her 1½hrs later which meant I could grab a coffee and then go back as opposed to having to spend hours waiting around.

Hope that helps.

Bareve

lagopuslagopus

I think it was the eyebrows that were noticed first - I think a couple of weeks but don't quote me on that. Certainly quite a while before they left their mother but not when new born!

Danielle Mason · HD

Thanks everybody for the advice Wink

Sharon we have actually experienced a gwp biting our own gunnar. We were at border counties gundog in may 07 and a bitch went for our boy and actually tore a lump out his eaybrow out! i was not happy. I did however tell them that a dog that acts like that around other dogs should not be shown. Another example was a solid liver bitch at bootle crosbie in february 07 who was cowering away from the judge and took a nip at my mother and jimmy. I understand this bitch is still being shown.
I do believe that a dog like this should not be taken out in amongst other dogs and to venues were there is children around.
Before we bought into this breed we spent alot of time with the breeder and his dogs in different sittuations to assure that this breed could be trusted and to make sure we were making the correct decision. As the breeder had several children and our own daughter was took in to see them we felt very confident that the lines we were taking off were suitable. I can safely say both of our dogs love children to bits and will sit whilst being petted bt them. We did make an effort by walking our dogs to the local primary school though most days to ensure they know how to behave. The children would come and ruffle their beards and they would just lick them. I find this has worked for us.

countrygirl

It would possibly be the case that a dog shying away from other people and possible having a go at other dogs hasent been taken out enough when young and socilised which could of caused the problem.

Many a time have my dogs been sat on a bench at a champ show when someone wanders along the benches taking no notice of what their dog is doing and it stick's it head in and disturbs my dogs. Some people just ask for trouble.

Caz

Bareve

Temperament problems can come from a lack of socialisation as much as lack of correct temperament in parents/lines. You needed your dogs to be good with children so you socialised them including mixing with children and the likes which obviously worked for you. HOwever if any dog is sold to a home where there are no children, or no children visiting and maybe whilst being exercised the dogs see no-one then these dogs may show signs of being stressed when being in the vicinity of children. The big issue is how the dog deals with the stress of meeting something new at an age where they are already pretty much conditioned in how they respond to day to day issues. You would hope that the dog just accepts this strange sight but others may go down the route of fear and flight and when not being able to flee they resort to biting.

We have no children here and no relatives with young children so we have to make a point of going places where hopefully our puppies will meet children. However it's not the same as dogs growing up with children where they learn to accept the unpredictability of the children's actions, the excitable stage, noise and especially with toddlers they have to learn to cope with the wobbling walking stage as that particular action looks very unsteady to dogs and some dogs may think they are going to be trodden on!

So I certainly wouldn't immediately castigate any dog who "reacts" to children until you know the background fully. However I would then expect a dog, who had initially reacted, to soon realise that there was nothing to fear and to then carry on as normal. Just to clarify about react - I don't mean bite, growl - a reaction could be a moment of being startled and even a single woof - followed by a realisation that everything is OK Smile

As for dogs being bitten by other dogs - join the club. It's happened to my dogs on many occasions and only last week at Leics Gundog my bitch had her nose bitten as we waited to go in and I had to keep dabbing the blood off it whilst she was in the ring..... and yes that was another wirehair.

windem bang

I am not going to single out Wirehairs as being bad around children or other dogs. My old G.S.P. bitch Taz is very wary of children, she moves away from them quickly. I've no idea how this got started but as a very young puppy she was fine with kids. I had her spayed, she will never produce her like and I keep a close eye on her when kids are around in case she ever feels cornered.

To return to Wirehairs, a man I know has had several Wiries from differing sources. Every single one of them has been nasty around other dogs. He turned up once to a grouse counting day I'd organised and his bitch behaved as it usually did - it attacked another dog. I told him to put her back on the lead and keep her on it. Can't have been pleasant for him getting towed around all day but other dog owners have the right to go home with the same number of pieces attached to their dogs as they started out with.

I've always thought this man is himself somehow to blame. I'd like to see him get another breed to see if it ends up the same.

Bill T.

sashalgwps · Tri colours

I love the tri colours, could well imagine I would have a nice tri coloured GWP if they were allowed Laughing

Alex

Danielle Mason · gwp

I do agree that most of the time it is due to the dogs lifestyle. But the incident were the bitch nipped both my mum and partner was temperment. It growled if anybody walked past it and the owner had to firmly hold the dog by the head to stop it from attacking the judge, the dog did not like being touched. It was constantly showing its teeth at everything and everyone. Sad

Like yourself sharron the bitch that bit gunnar was at fault as jimmy was actually grooming gunnar at the time and did not even look in the direction of the bitch yet it still launched itself at him.
Its hard to know what has happened for this to happen to some dogs as from what i have seen most gwp's are bold, outgoing and certainly brave.

Bareve

Danielle Mason

I do agree with this. It must depend on the dog really. I have heard of this quite alot.

Rhimad

I agree Sharon, when we first starting looking at Wires when we moved to Scotland, we were told allsorts of story about how agressive they are, cat killers, sheep killers, children eaters......So we got hooked Laughing

seriously,

We had a terrible close shave at Gundog breeds a few years ago, Rhianna (my daughter) walked past a male wirey sitting on his bench, she never went to touch him or anything like that and this dog flew at her, if the owner hadnt quickly jumped in from off him and grabbed the dogs mouth I dred to think what could of happened.

I also keep myself to myself at shows and on the breeding front.

Bareve

Rhimad

It was a close shave, The owner had a close shave with John, I thought John was going to hit him, after that I dont think I ever benched any of my dogs at the shows, I tend to keep away from the benching areas and just appear at the ringside when we are about to go in.

My mom is desperate to have a go at showing Brogan (one of my pups from latest litter), so I will be SKC, I will take Harris and Saker.

Claire

oooooo I shall look forward to seeing them at SKC then Trace Very Happy

Re benching, I ALWAYS take a puppy panel with me and put it on the front of the bench to stop any nasty dog poking its head in. Works rather well Smile

Helen

The few champ shows I've been to with Teal, the bench area has been pretty empty so I've just sat there with her and had a sit down and a coffee and then gone for a wander with her.

Hoping to get to SKC with Teal but might have to ask someone to move her as I'm not sure how up to running I will be lol. Will be nice to see Brogan so will definitely have to make the effort. Shame Gillian isn't into showing lol.

Helen

Rhimad

I have sat on the Bench with my dogs, but I never leave them, what if some stole my precious bundles Shocked

More liking they would try and follow me and drag the whole lot over!!

When is the closing date for SKC must be soon?

Helen

I wouldn't leave Teal anywhere on her own.

No idea but I haven't had a schedule and they usually post them, don't they?

Helen

Danielle Mason · Benching

I always keep molly in her pushchair when at shows. That ensures she doesn't go annoying dogs and running about like an idiot. She is only 18 months but she can get carried away sometimes and just lovs dogs, so i find its better to be safe than sorry. I have stopped taking her to them all though as sh is a bit noisy now and although our dogs are used to it, many dont like that high pitch squeel. Rolling Eyes

I dont like gunnar being on a bench because young children always want to feed him sweets and crisps, and if you are not there to stop that your dog will be full to the brim.

windem bang

Out of curiousity - when and where is the H.P.R. club of Scotland holding its show ?

Bill T.

Danielle Mason · hpr

It is in the victoria hall in selkirk and it is the 19th of april. Trish is on the commitee fornthat and i think she will have a few scheduals. Are you thinking of going?

windem bang

Yes Danielle, I might even enter Buck Laughing

Belle the Brittany would be a better bet though, she's done it before - once !!! Laughing

At least with her I could take her travelling cloth cage thing, put her in it and not get my arm pulled off all day.

Bill T.

Danielle Mason · hpr club

you should enter. it is a very friendly fun show. iit gets a good entry too.

Claire

Bill its the same hall that I saw you at last time Smile

Come on, bring bucky boy down, you know you want to. He will be great Razz

Has anyone seen any schedules? I've seen none and there are none on the various print websites so I don't know who our judge is. I do know we have Gil Simpson (Sireva) doing varieties and BIS, a working judge!

Linda W

SKC closing is March 31st for postal entries, and 7th April for on-line entries.

I haven't been to HPR in April for some time, not since my car broke down on the Forth Road Bridge (they were down to one lane...) The cylinder head had gone, apparently.

Danielle Mason

i dont think the scheduals are out yet. I have spoke to various commitee members and even they havent got any.

weima

sako75

weima wrote

weima

Claire

Spill the beans Claire ! Schedules should be out soon enough anyway.

Come on you sod Laughing

weima

Ha ha the suspense must be killing you LOL. I only know because there could have been one almighty disaster.......

maxine mccullough · Re: Tri colours

bighairydog · tri???? why????

Hi all,
Have to agree with you on that one Maxine, I recently saw a picture on a kennels web-site which I would say was borderline tri-coloured. I may be wrong hence why I wont cause offence by mentioning who's site.
But the dog in question definately appears to have a light brown/tan colouration when it shouldn't.
Fact remains as the breed standards suggest, very undesirable.
Probably as much as the tri lab pups that popped out recently and having been dna tested were in fact 100% lab?????.
I dont like tri-colours in any breed.
And certainly wouldn't entertain a tri GWP.

Ghilliegumdrop

Whereas Merlin is PERFECT Twisted Evil

Even if he is not a GWP Twisted Evil

Hi Maxine, nice to have you on here Very Happy

May see you at Cruft's Wink

Claire

Merlin is sooooooooooo cute Very Happy

I hope I get to meet him at Crufts.

Ghilliegumdrop

Of course you can...he will be doing autographs before judging, come and see us when you have a minute. Ghill is in the gamekeeper class so we may be flitting up to hall 4 as well. Those hairy black and white 'flatcoats' are in the ring before us so we could be hours before we get in Twisted Evil

Linda W

Flatcoats!! cough. splutter, cough, choke..............

So glad I'm not going to that 'C' place this year - my bitch might be mistaken for a Brittany with her half tail....... (It was amputated due to an accident years ago...)

Ghilliegumdrop

I quite like those 'flatcoats' the ones that Karen has are really lovely Twisted Evil

Depends how big she is Linda...although with half a tail these days Laughing

Linda W

She is actually small for the breed, and a bit on the stocky side (did I hear someone say overweight.....lol!)

I don't show her as she isn't quite good enough, though she has had a BOB at an open show! She would be great for the DD side of things though as she is such a friendly thing. She just loves people, but be warned - guard the family jewels if you meet her!!!!!!!

maxine mccullough · Tri-colour

Helen

Merlin is gorgeous! Will try and find you on Friday.

Helen

Bareve · Re: Tri-colour

Danielle Mason

In a liver and white dog what percentage of black would constitute a tri and also in a black and white how much tan would constitute a tri. Having been told i have to hip score my dog. can anybody tell me if elbows need done? Laughing

johnhod

Bareve

Bareve

Ghilliegumdrop

Claire

So are people purposely breeding tri coloured GWPs then or are they just not doing much about trying to avoid this?

Weimaraners can have the tan points appear if both parents are carrying the gene and they usually appear at around 2 weeks old. Some weimaraners may have a ginger tinge to their coat in places but this isn't necessarily tan points as a true mis marked wei will have tan points in exactly the same place as dobermans, rotties etc.

Rambling discussion on GWP colour amongst other things

Re: GWP-STUD DOG

Stud

Stud dog

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Stud

Stud dog

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Stud

HD

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HD

Stud dog

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mis-informed?????

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Mis-informed

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HD

Tri colours

gwp

Benching

hpr

hpr club

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tri???? why????

Tri-colour

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