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| scotty wong |
short haired pointer on epuztheres a short haired pointer 7month old bitch in oxfordshire, being given up as wrong size for showing. may be worh a look if you want a older dog??would of been perfect for me if 6months latter!! scotty |
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| tashap |
how can a dog be the wrong size for showing at that age??? | ||
| scotty wong |
who knows but thats what the add says!!looks ok in the pic
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| weima |
She may be too big already. A lot of GSP's are too big these days as are Weimaraners but remember that a GSP is supposed to be smaller than a Weimar but very few are  In fact some GSP bitches are taller than the male Weimar
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| scotty wong |
really!!! the reason i'm going for a gsp instead of a weimis that they are a bit smaller!! are there strains that work well and are still a bit smaller that any one knows of?
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| weima |
Will get back to you on this. i am just on my way out! | ||
| scotty wong |
cheers.
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| Garypco |
not thought of a vizsla then scott,very similar to a weimeraner,smaller more biddable than a gsp in my book!!! 
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| scotty wong |
all the advice i have had said they werea bit harder to train ? same with the wire haired pointer? love the size and colour of viszla (but not to keen on the price!) but the advice had put me off. any truth in that ??or are you biased 
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| karenb |
Hi Scotty
I own, bred, show, work & judge GSP's so whilst I don't post often felt I might offer my opinions here ... Most GSP's will be smaller than Weimars - a few may be a shade over standard (max 23" bitches & 25" of dogs) but MANY are currently at lower end to middle of the standard range for height. This comment is based on the knowledge of a number of measurements taken at a breed club show this year - many dogs were not as big as people believed ! The 7mth old black bitch advertised on epupz is actually too small and will not make the required height for showing at top level. When I last saw her I would estimate her at approx 20". As for working ability - personaly I feel most GSP's have the potential to work if they are handled and trained effectively. Obviously not all with have that added extra that makes a FT winner but most should be able to be trained to make good workers. I guess as with all things a pup from proven working parents is perhaps more likely to have a stronger drive to work than those from unproven parents - my current youngster is by a German FT Champion dog and she has been here before ... Pointed at 7mths and has a desire to hunt that is frightening - couldn't have coped with this amount of drive if she had been my first GSP !!! Also you need to consider the issue of colour - if you are only looking for a black GSP then your options are limited as only a handful of breeders are using "blacks" in their breeding programme and to get Black or Black & white you must have one parent of that colour. You also need to do your homework if you are searching for black - when something is a touch unusual there are always folks who will breed for the £ rather than for the good of the breed. As for training GSP's are generally a middle of the road characters - not has hard/strong willed as a GWP but not as sensitive as a viszla. Obviously these are generalisations as I'm sure some Viszlas may be tough cookies and I know of the odd sensitive Weimar !! Good luck with your serach for a HPR - if you want to chat about GSP's in particular PM me Karen Brown - Gamebourne GSP's http://gamebourne.mysite.orange.co.uk |
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| Garypco |
biased i guess scotty lol,ive had a couple of gsp's not my thing,as or the vizsla ive fallen in love with em,get a decent workin strain,not only are they easy to bring on loyal,and very versatile mine are worked to gun and hawk pheasant rabbit duck and woodcock,i rate the breed over most!!! |
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| scotty wong |
thanks karen vaery helpfull,i'm not after any paticular colour its not somthing that concerns me(the epuz dog was bitch and i want a dog just thought may help some one if they were looking)just as long as its a good dog.
i will be rough shooting 2 or 3 times a week and beating etc in the season so would like a bit of drive but do take you point as one of the reasons i hav'nt gone for a spaniel is because i've never seen one stop for more than 2seconds! but will consider the drive abit more. i have been looking part trained dogs but they seem very few and far between(maybe that says good things for them)as it would really help me get into them with out ruining a good dog but the more i have read books etc the less of a great mystery they have seemed
i think your intitled to be biased Garypco!! they are great looking dogs!,why do you say gsps are not your thing though? anything in perticular or just didnt gel with them? |
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| Helen |
I've found both my gwp's fairly easy to train. My first is only used for grouse counting so he didn't have that much of intensive training, if you see what I mean. His daughter, is soo biddable, it's unbelievable. She's now 15 months old and I'm introducing her to game and she is coming along very nicely. She has just started to hunt a lot harder and be really keyed up about the whole thing. Watching her go through bracken, was like watching my hard hunting spaniel. Admittedly, I only have experience of 2 gwp's.
Spaniels, love 'em or hate 'em. I love 'em. You can't beat a spaniel on the beating line. To watch them work is a joy. Helen |
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| scotty wong |
maybe your just a very good trainer helen!!!! i love spaniels but as what ever i have will be with me all day (it will be at work with me) i think it may get a it trying with somthing bouncing around like a coke addict!! 
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| Helen |
lol, dunno about that. I've made some horrendous mistakes and have paid dearly for them. However, none of my spaniels are bonkers. They are all pretty calm and laid back, until you get them working of course. I think as long as they get the exercise and stimulation they need, they are happy and can switch off.
Our coalman takes his springer with him on his rounds. Seems calm and happy enough. Helen |
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| scotty wong |
your not making this easy!! before this thread i had taken 2 years to decide which breed to go for now .........things have got all complicated again!!
scotty(i'm never going to get a dog at this rate) |
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| karenb |
Hi again
don't think you will find many part trained GSP's - these dogs have a lot to learn in order to work effectively as a HPR. Training needs to be stuctured, methodical and developed/progressed in accordance with the dogs ability to learn and that takes a considerable amount of time. They also need to have a close bond with the person who is working them and do not generally fare well as a kennel dog. I guess this makes them a touch more difficult for a professional trainer to produce in order to gain extra £ over and above puppy prices. My advice would be to get in touch with the field trail secretaries of the various breed clubs that host competative events. Try and visit a few trails, working tests, training days in order to see dogs working, talk to handlers and make a few contacts. Buy from an experienced breeder / competitor who will be able to provide you with help & support once you have your pup home. An experienced breeder will help /advise on training and/or be able to put you in touch with trainers who will help you with your dog. A mentor is a great thing when first starting out. We achieved a Field Trail 1st place, with our first dog, in our very first trail so you don't always have to make a pickle of your first dog .... that said we couldn't have achieved that without considerable help along the way .. A trip to Crufts in March may also prove useful for contacts and all the various HPR breeds will be in one place on the same day ... good luck Karen |
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| Helen |
Get one of each lol. Seriously, go with what you want. I'm lucky in that I can have different breeds but I think if I was getting one dog, I would go for an hpr.
As Karen said, Crufts will be a good place as not only have you got the breed classes, you've also got the keepers classes where you know that the dogs are being worked. Helen |
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| josie |
Scotty, you'll know what the right breed for you is, because your heart just won't be in any other breed in the same way. I remember when we were deciding, we originally wanted a Weimy, but then got put off by horror stories about them, so looked at other breeds, especially the GSP and the Vizsla. I even got as far as emailing several Vizsla breeders to see if they had any litters coming up, but my heart just wasn't in it and I couldn't get as excited about the idea of getting a Vizsla as I could about a Weimy (sorry Vizsla people!!!), so we got a Weimy after all!!! | ||
| scotty wong |
thanks karen, i have talked to every breeder and owner i have meet at game fairs or shows and been to a few trials(but need to go to few more next year).i did have a trainer/mentor in mind but looks like shes moving to scotland!(she trained a mates lab and he is amazing)so will keep looking.
i think your both right josie and helen, i have liked the look and movement of gsp's since i was young(a keeper had 1 on the local shoot)although i didnt know what it was then! i will have to get a few more books and do some more phoning. thanks for all your help its somthing you cant get easily and know that its the truth. scotty |
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| karenb |
Hi
you have great taste with regards to the HPR that takes your eye = then again I may just be biased ...
Have you been in touch with the local branch of the German Shorthaired Pointer Club ? Branches hold monthly training sessions and host working tests etc - if you pop along to a sesson you should meet up with some owners in your area - just an idea. South Eastern Counties Branch Secretary: Colin Wooster 8 Lyndon Avenue Sidcup Kent DA15 8RJ Tel: 0208 850 7346 (home) 0207 542 7456 (work) 07703 574073 (mobile) Recommended reading - Der Deutsch Kurzhaar - Georgina Bryne German Shorthaired Pointers Today - David Layton. Videos - The Masterclass Series - HPR training Basic & Advanced with Tom Brechney If you fancy Clicker training for gundog work then books/courses from Helen Philips are available at http://www.learningaboutdogs.com/ Karen |
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| scotty wong |
thank you can always do with another book(its a very boring job i do!!)i have read the david layton one and its very good.
i have been trying to get the adddreess of the local club member. cheers scotty
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