uk gwp pedigree question

kiwi · uk gwp pedigree question

i have a question on an english bitch hapsberg aphrodite.
has any one got any info on this bitch, like her parents etc.
she is the dam to a dog exported to aussie, so i can't find any info on her or the wittekind kennel.

Helen S

Clare Sharp had the Hapsberg prefix, she doesn't breed GWPs anymore but still owns a couple, amongs others. I met her back in the summer when I was in England, she will be glad to speak to you. I'll pm you her email.

Helen S

Bareve

What exactly do you want to know about the bitch as I can tell you how she is bred and probably Claire would tell you more about who owned her as she bred the litter.

kiwi

i've since got her pedigree sharon, and i see the dam was one of yours.
i wanted to see the background on this bitch to cross referance it to the english stuff that is in this country, i'm paranoid about some of the english stock that was used both here and australia with the big "e"

kiwi

while ya have your thinking cap on sharon have you heard of a dog jagershunde anka ?

Bareve

That's interesting ..... has there been any dogs down there suffering from it? There has been the odd case ever since I've owned the breed and as of yet nothing really you can point the finger towards. However there were no problems with either of her parents and they both lived to be a good old age.

Bareve

Well I knew the breeder of the litter and would need to search my grey matter to see if this was one that John kept himself or if it was sold into another home. So yes I do know about the dogs as such - any reason?

Mike

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Bareve

That's what I've taking it for unless it's "e" for excessive - which is very applicable for me if it's chocolate Very Happy

Mike

Thanks, again sorry for being nosey Smile

Helen S

Excitable, everlasting, ever ready, errestistible.... err I think I'd better stop now.

Helen S

kiwi

yes it is epilepsy and yes there has been quite a few cases of it in the breed downunder, i was one of the uneducated who bought a pup that ended up getting it, the fits and medical costs involved not to mention the impact on my family was enough to put me off wires for a few years, sam was so bad the medication he was on turned him into a zombie and he had an early retirement from the hunting feild as the risk of him drowning was too high, he was rehomed to a vet but was later put down for his own good, such a waste of a handsome mate.
the imported gwp that was linked to the condition, jagershunde anka is something i look for when looking at dogs from the uk, that kennel here with those lines bred alot of pups in a short time, and i avoid any possible link to the kennel involed, i really want to add some solid liver blood to my future pups but the only liver dogs in nz go back to the suspect kennel.
hence my question about the wittekind bitch who has offspring on oz.

Bareve

That's a great shame - I certainly didn't know that there had been any cases of epilepsy down under as such Sad

The GWPC have just created a new health sub committee and one of the illnesses we are looking into is epilepsy and are hoping that the Animal Health Trust will add our breed to their new LUPAS project. Currently we are collecting as many DNA samples as we can of both affected dogs and healthy ones, especially the older dogs.

The dog you mentioned wasn't the one that John Powell kept himself (which unfortunately did develop epilepsy). Do you know if jagershunde anka actually had epilepsy or just the fact that it is a litter mate to one who did? I do know that our health sub committee co-ordinator would be very interested in the breeding of the dogs who have developed epilepsy (especially those coming from UK lines) - would you be interested in helping Philippa with this?

When epilepsy first hit the breed it was very close to when a new dog was imported and everyone used him. Although this dog was blamed Miencke Mills de Hoog said all along it wasn't anything to do with him it was where the pedigree's had too many lines going back to the three original Dutch imports. She implored to us never do that - always extend the pedigree right back to see where they are and "touch wood" we've never had any problems whereas others have. So I suppose what I'm trying to say is way back in the early 80's and onwards the GWPC "couldn't" pin point where the actual problem was coming from and the more you delve into this dreadful condition it no longer seems as straight forward as you would hope.

kiwi

i'm happy to help out as best i can, i can get full pedigrees on the kennel concerned, talking to other breeders both here and in australia alot of reseach has already been done to isolate the carriers.
i myself just stay away from any hint of epilepsy in a line, i won't be bitten twice.