We've had a "foster puppy" (Weim) for the last few weeks and I got besieged by a woman who wanted to stroke her yesterday. She told me she had had Vizslas and her last one had just died, aged 13 yrs. Then she told me they are much "calmer" than Weims
What does this mean and is it true? Or was it because hers was 13 yrs old and the puppy is 16 wks?
Allyson
IME HVs are not necessarily "calmer" but they are more sensitive and perhaps responsive.
I was going to say that Weims are the "hardest" of the gundogs, however show breeding has somewhat diluted this characteristic and some unfortunately resemble not much more than cardboard cutouts.
I was attracted to HVs however felt that their personality would not suit mine.............
Chilly
josie wrote:
....Then she told me they are much "calmer" than Weims ....
I have had Weims and have currently a Hungarian Vizsla. I agree that Weims are hectic, however if Vizzies are calmer then it would only be a small percentage difference.
Allyson wrote:
IME HVs are not necessarily "calmer" but they are more sensitive and perhaps responsive......
I would agree totally with Allysons suggestion above.
Chilly
josie
Hi - Allyson - by "more responsive" and "sensitive", do you mean "easier to train" (more responsive to rewards, more easily motivated to gain rewards?)
And by "harder", do you mean more difficult, or do you mean sharper/ with a slightly aggressive edge?
Also, are Wirehaired Vizzies the same, temperament wise, as their shorthaired cousins, or do they have different blood in them which affects their temperament also and means they are not the same, temperament wize? Thanks!
josie
Hi - Allyson - by "more responsive" and "sensitive", do you mean "easier to train" (more responsive to rewards, more easily motivated to gain rewards?)
And by "harder", do you mean more difficult, or do you mean sharper/ with a slightly aggressive edge?
Also, chilly, are Wirehaired Vizzies the same, temperament wise, as their shorthaired cousins, or do they have different blood in them which affects their temperament also and means they are not the same, temperament wize? Thanks!
Chilly
josie wrote:
....Also, chilly, are Wirehaired Vizzies the same, temperament wise, as their shorthaired cousins, or do they have different blood in them which affects their temperament also and means they are not the same, temperament wize? Thanks!
Hi Josie
Having not owned a Wirehaired Vizzie I can only talk from what I have seen and heard.
I believe Wirehaired Vizzies to be alot more laid back that the smooth coat. Although a similar name and colour, I understand that to be where the similarities end. A very different breed entirely. Again, I must add this is from what I have seen and heard and those on the forum that own/have owned them and have experience of the smooth, please interject and have your say.
Chilly
MC
This is my first Vizsla. He is very sensitive to reprimand, which in fact is easier in my opinion than most of the GSP I've owned over the years.
I had one GSP that was the same, she was so easy to train.
It did not reflect on her desire to hunt, just that I needed to be calm in my manner with her.
It was, and is at this time, quite a juggle as I have to be stern with my dingbat GSP and then change my voice tone entirely to speak to my Vizsla. I don't know if all Vizsla are as canny as he is, but he certainly knows that the GSP is told off for over the top behaviour and he is not part of it, he stands well back until I've got her under control (for instance squealing to go out the gate) and then he happily carries on.
I have noticed the Vizsla are yoyo dogs, boing, boing, like kangaroos
Chilly
MC wrote:
This is my first Vizsla. He is very sensitive to reprimand..........
MC wrote:
.....I don't know if all Vizsla are as canny as he is.....
MC wrote:
....I have noticed the Vizsla are yoyo dogs, boing, boing, like kangaroos
All that stated above is a characteristic of the breed MC. Especially as the boing, boing bit!!! I know plenty just like it, including mine!!!
Chilly
Allyson
I do not like the term "easier to train" as this, IMV, is relative and it also depends on what you are training.
For example it is very easy to train a Weimaraner to track, compared to many other breeds, because its default behaviour is to stick its nose to the ground. However control/obedience is another matter.
A handler sensitive dog is easier to train than one that is not.
As opposed to "generally" sensitive, if that makes sense.
I find HVs more handler sensitive.
A "hard" dog is one, IMO, that has a slightly teutonic outlook in life.
Not sure if that helps, I am always wary of coming out with broad generalisations as they can be misinterpreted widely..........
Mike
Which is the "correct" colour (I fully appreciate in the grand scheme of things colour isn't that important) for a Vizsla? I thought they were supposed to be a sort of russety - ginger colour but I am seeing lots of really pale ones, some you could almost describe as golden. Is there a split between the working / showing ones and if so which tend to be what colour?
Chilly
big_mike wrote:
Which is the "correct" colour (I fully appreciate in the grand scheme of things colour isn't that important) for a Vizsla? I thought they were supposed to be a sort of russety - ginger colour but I am seeing lots of really pale ones, some you could almost describe as golden. Is there a split between the working / showing ones and if so which tend to be what colour?
Hi Mike
There is only one col;our for the Hungarain Vizsla and that is officially 'Russet Gold'.... to you and me.... Ginger!!
You are right, there are variations in the lightness and darkness but the coat should be short, straight, dense, smooth and shiny, feeling greasy to the touch. Again the colour should be that russet gold look. Some have small white marks on the chest and feet, though acceptable, undesirable within the breed.
I don't think there is much between show and working lines though.
Chilly
MC
I see the colour officially registered as russet gold, light sandy & dark sandy.
Gunfield
I think there are some variations in registration requirements from country to country in the Uk it is russet gold and it has been put to the KC that any registrations bearing a different colour should be defined as colour not as standard.
Vital K9
Coming in on this a bit late, but yes, russet gold is the only official colour in the UK and here in Canada they call it gold rust. When you think about it, those are different colours (I prefer the English description - don't fancy a rusty dog!). But variations do occur and acceptable are most colours from a light sandy gold through to a rich red. Having said that, there has been a tendency for people to prefer the dark red colours, which look splendid, sort of Red Setter, but there was debate as to whether that's what the colour should really be. The dogs are gold, not red. My British boys are a medium gold, now looking lighter because the white hairs of old age are speckled throughout their coat. My Canadian girl has a much deeper colour and most of her offspring inherited that darker colour. I wouldn't want to see anything darker than that though. In Germany Semmelgelb is acceptable - a far more yellow colour - and the Hungarian description uses sarga I believe, which means the same colour as bread crust!
