WELL DONE :)

weima · WELL DONE :)

Well done to Claire & Whistle & Barry & Millie at SKC today. They both won their respective classes Very Happy

Ghilliegumdrop

Brilliant, well done both of you.
Jan

Helen

Well done both of you Smile

I got third out of four in our class, beaten by Teal's litter sister, who came second and the winner of the class got the reserve cc so I was quite happy about that!

Helen

sako75

Thanks Claire ,

Millie is back to normal after a bad 5-6 months (phantoms , seasons etc). I have been working her hard lately to get the weight back off her and she has toned up nicely. Millie won a strong class , we were delighted , she seems to be back on form.

Well done Claire and Whistle , I am sorry I never seen your class , I was out the side door feeling rather sorry for myself (hungover) and of course filling my lungs with nicotine........ Rolling Eyes

whilst trying to control Logan who was desperate to find the mystery bitch that was on heat.......annoying !! Evil or Very Mad

We had a good day though !!! Laughing

Mike

Well done both of you!

Linda W

The mystery bitch(es) might have been near ring 10 Wink

There were a couple round our ring, and another that my boy was convinced was coming in, but it's not her, it's her mother and her kennel mate Very Happy

We got 2nd in Limit, beaten by a half brother who got the RCC Cool

Greyghost

Well done guys Very Happy

Claire

Thank you everyone Very Happy

Wondered where you were Barry ! Now I know Twisted Evil

There were a couple of weim bitches around the ringside in season which was a tad unfair seeing as the dog judging was still underway. They could have at least kept them outside until the dogs had finished Rolling Eyes

weima

sako75

IMO , If your bitch is in season you should not take her to the show. As my dog will not bench I have no option but to keep him ringside whilst my bitch is being shown. It is an absolute nightmare sometimes and not fair on him (I suppose people will say - bench your dog). I would never dream of taking Millie to a show if she were in season. How do the rest of you feel about this subject ???

weima

Helen

I wouldn't take Teal to a show when she was in season. I just think it's selfish!

Helen

cressy

One problem I have found with the somewhat smaller (numerically) breeds is when you go second breed in the ring. At Nat Gundog Mugi found one spot in the ring of supreme interest and wanted to mark it - getting his nose up was a nightmare.

At the end of the day I would prefer people didn't have in season girls at shows but to be honest any ringside dog or bitch, season or not can be a distraction and it is something I had to live with lots when showing Brice as deerhounds are rarely benched.

Worse though was the time Freddy came off the dog walk when somone brought their in season bitch into his sniff vicinity. Like field trials I find it supremely selfish when the dogs are supposed to be working and although his nose isn't critical to agility he could have sustained a nasty injury, the owner in question was sooooo ignorant and didn't see the need to leave despite it being against club rules - ah well.

sako75

Helen , I tend to agree with you on this one !!

Claire , I hear what you are saying BUT I would not and have never taken Millie to a show when she is in season. I know that it is MY problem that my dog is not benched and of course other peoples bitches should not be penalised because of this. Even if I did bench Logan , I'm not sure that I would like the fact that there were bitches in season anywhere near him - he would not settle and become very stressed which is IMO very unfair on any dog.

I had to laugh at your suggestion of taking the cage into the show - I just had visions of me pushing poor old Logan around on his trolley (mobile dog grooming unit) HA HA HA - the poor boy would be mortified Laughing

Linda W

I have never knowingly taken a bitch in season to a show. If she came in during the trip down then she would only have been on day 1. One bitch I had actually came into season the day after we'd shown at Crufts, I think that is the closest I've ever done it. No wonder she didn't want to show. Twisted Evil

I don't think it's fair on the males as they can't be concentrating on the job in hand. Obviously. If it is a club show, and the bitch can be kept away from the ring whilst dogs are being judged (as in kept in the car) then I suppose I wouldn't complain too loudly, but I still wouldn't risk her health, or the possibility of an accidental mating. Mind you, I think that people who take in-whelp bitches to showa are just as bad.

BritAnnie

Nor have I taken an in-season bitch anywhere near a show. I know KC rules allow it at Championship Shows, but there is a risk to the health of the bitch as well as distraction for not only the dogs but the other bitches too - have you ever seen three or more Brittany bitches wee-ing - one after the other both back legs lifted so they can get a better spray area, then one after the other again ad infinitum - or till I get fed up and yank them away. Laughing

I own both dogs and bitches and I feel so strongly about this that if I had my way I would refund entry fees to owners of in-season bitches on production of a vet's certificate
Annie

sako75

I am glad to see that the majority share the same views as myself on this subject. I was beginning to feel a wee bit singled out. Crying or Very sad

Even if the bitch is away from the ring at the time of showing your dog , you still have to enter the venue and pass loads of dogs and bitches to get to your breed ring. This is enough to wind up a dog if he happens to pass a bitch on heat. He will be struggling to get to her and constantly looking for her etc - I have experienced this on many an occasion and it is NO fun trying to hold back a big red blooded weimaraner !!!!! Also there is next to no chance of him being settled in the ring if he knows there is a bitch on heat in the area.

As with all things in life , people have choices and my personal choice is not to take a bitch in season to a show.

weima

I agree Annie, that if the KC want to bring a ruling in about bitches in season then a refund should be given & then & only then will I discontinue to take bitches in season to Ch Shows.

I have travelled to shows with dogs & bitches in season & the males are not bothered with the bitch whilst we are travelling but as soon as they are out of the car that is a different matter & I usually try to bench in season bitches away from males but sometimes it isn't possible.

Claire

This is always a tricky one and having both entire dogs and bitches I can see both sides of the coin.

There is nothing more frustrating than trying to show an entire male when there are bitches closeby who are in full season. I have had some hideous times with Harris and its not funny and its a waste of my money in entering the show Mad

Having said that, a lot of bitch owners will make every effort to minimise their bitch distracting other males and I do appreciate this, especially when you get the odd person who couldn't care less and they walk around the whole show with a bitch in full season Evil or Very Mad

Champ shows are not cheap to enter and so its a tad unfair on the owner of the inseason bitch to miss out and lose their money. Although IMO that just comes with the territory of owning an entire bitch Twisted Evil

But what I would like to see is if the owner was able to get a letter from their vet confirming the bitch was inseason then I would like the KC to offer a refund. Can't see them doing that though Rolling Eyes

I don't think it is really necessary to take an inseason bitch to an open show but I have to admit to doing it once Embarassed

However I weighed everything up beforehand. I used Harris to check if Whistle was interesting to other males and he couldn't have cared less but regardless of that I only went because I was chasing the last couple of JW points which some will say is not a good enough reason but to me it was because she is my first JW winner. I have to be honest and say I really was not comfortable in being there and even though she was of no distraction to the other dogs I literally whipped her into the ring and straight back out to the car after her class. I felt very guilty and I'm not sure I will do it again and if she had been interesting to other males I couldn't have stood the guilt of taking her so we would have had to miss out on those JW points regardless Laughing

Re champ shows, I really can't say I would be comfortable in showing an inseason bitch there either. Thankfully I've managed to avoid having to do this. I think again I would have to weigh everything up in advance but if Harris was mega interested in her I definitely would not be going because I would find the whole situation very embarrassing to be honest.

I think the only time I could say with 100% certainty that I would not take an inseason bitch to a champ show is if I was going to mate her. Infections can be dealt with should they ever occur but prior to a mating and during the bitch being in whelp it is not something I would ever risk.

windem bang

I've read this topic with interest because prior to reading it I had assumed it would be taboo to take an in season bitch to a show. I'd thought it would be the same as trials - a definite no-no.

Twice, I think it was, I had to withdraw my biches form trials because of seasons. It is very difficult to get a run in a lab trial and nobody liked withdrawing but it was regarded as just one of those things you had to put up with if you wanted to have a bitch. When entries ran to well over 100 for a 24 dog trial and you were fortunate enough to get a run, withdrawing broke your heart but it was always done in my experience.

Bill T.

Claire

TBH I would much rather showing was like trials in that there was a ruling that no inseason bitches could be shown because then the decision is made for you Wink

tashap

I always thought it was poor etiquette to show a bitch in season.

I had the opportunity to show bonnie this year at crufts in the Gamekeepers ring and this year she's actually had some training and was looking great but I scratched her and left her at home as soon as she came into season because I didn't think it was very fair on anyone else.

There were several other bitches there in season and to be honest I know that its important to win but at the end of the day its not that important there is always another show, it would have been nice to have been able to see bonnie finally do her stuff we'd trained hard for but there is always next year... of course if the little sod comes into season same time next year I'm getting a dog Laughing

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