terrier
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Who makes the best trainer?Years ago the only people that worked dogs,gundogs,terriers,lurchers etc,were "dog" people.By that i mean people that needed a dog to do a days work ie retrieve,point,terriers to kill rats,lurchers to catch rabbits etc etc.The dog was there to do a job,owners still cared greatly for the dog,but it was there to earn its keep.Today more and more people seem to be "doggy woggy" people,by that i mean they get a dog and then have a go at doing what the breed was bred to do." little Giles is a gundog,that means they bring dead things back" type of conversations(i have actually heard that said!!!!).So in your eyes which type of person makes the best trainer???
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windem bang
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Sometimes doggy folk - working doggy folk come from the pet dog or the show fraternity. I have friends with those backgrounds and I can think of 3 of them who have now given up shows altogether and now only work their dogs.
Then there are folk like me. Brought up in the centre of a big town . No contact whatsoever with shooting or gundogs but I still ended up doing both. It just took more time and more effort to learn most of what I needed to know for myself.
I think the best dog trainers have a certain "mindset" and a lot of determination to do what they want to do.
Bill T.
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langhaar
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A woman 
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weima
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| langhaar wrote: | | A woman |
Of course
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weima
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Who makes the best trainer? Surely someone who can get the best out of the animal?
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Claire
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I think a good trainer needs to be someone that can communicate with people at all levels, from the most novice to the most experienced. Can connect with the dog and its owner. Can think outside the box and not be stuck in their ways. And quite importantly have been there, done it and got the t-shirt  By that I mean, if I wanted to learn how to play snooker I would go to a professional like Steve Davis or Stephen Hendry, I wouldn't be going to the chap down the road just because he plays snooker as a hobby. Do you get where I'm coming from?
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johnhod
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Wouldn't you be better going to the unknown person who coaches Davis or Hendry?
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Helen
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Was going to say a woman lol.
A good trainer is a good trainer, no matter where they come from and what they do. I've seen good and bad in both of those types. There are some wonderful old trainers who just get on and train the dog.
I don't think you have to be "well known" to be a good trainer. Look at all those old shepherds who haven't done a days trialling but have got fantastic working dogs who are out there every day.
Helen
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Lisa
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Someone who is patient and positive and a woman of course!!
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Claire
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| johnhod wrote: | | Wouldn't you be better going to the unknown person who coaches Davis or Hendry? |
Personally I don't think so. I want to go to someone who has achieved something! Because if they can't do it for themselves how can they do it for anyone else ?
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windem bang
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Sorry, have to disagree with that to a degree Claire. The best schoolteachers are not by any means always those who are brilliant at their subjects - they are those who can give their pupils the enthusiasm and the solid groundwork from which they can learn more for themselves - if they want to.
The worlds top rocket scientist who has consistently achieved great things in his field might very well be rotten at teaching science to a classful of kids - his motivation is wrong for that purpose.
I'd rather send my kids to be taught by a man with less than half the knowledge but with twice the enthusiasm for the job in order to enthuse others with his love of the subject.
A good teacher should produce a few pupils who by continuing with what he implanted in them eventually outdo their teacher.
Bill T.
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Claire
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Giving enthusiasm is one thing, but if they are not very knowledgeable and have not succeeded in the subject they are trying to teach then I fail to see how one can learn! I am very enthusiastic when it comes to teaching others, but I would be a very crap maths teacher because I am not mathematically minded, so what would my students learn from me? Not an awful lot and they certainly wouldn't pass their Maths GCSE
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DesO'Neile
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I think Claire that you have just shot yourself in the foot. I can't concieve somebody who is crap at maths endowing anybody with enthusiasm for the subject.
I wonder if this is a trick question.
The best trainers are the people with an understanding of dogs, the desire to teach them, and access to the best facilities. You have got to have all three. I know people who have access tp land and game that I could only dream of but they couldn't teach a pig to s**t. I know people like ex-game keepers who could teach a dog to do anything but no longer can because they don't have access to the facilities and I know a small number of people who could teach a dog anything, live in the right part of the country with access to all that is required but just aren't interested enough to do it.
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Claire
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Haven't shot myself in the foot at all ! I don't dislike maths its just not one of my best subjects (even though I passed my GCSE) as my brain doesn't work that way. I never said I was crap at it I just said I would be a crap teacher. So my point is if I'm not very good at something how on earth can I teach others to be good at it?
If you read my original post I did say there was more to a good trainer than having already proved your salt but I do think the trainer needs to have had success in the area they are training for 
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Helen
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What sort of success?
Helen
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Claire
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Well I think the success should depend on what you are going to the trainer for.
If you are aiming high and aiming for FT standard then I would want the trainer to have had some success in FTs.
If you are wanting just a decent gundog, ie one that you can take on your shoot without embarrassing yourself but you don't particularly want to compete with it, then a knowledgeable trainer who competently works their dogs in that capacity would suit.
I appreciate not everyone will agree with me, but having just started to seriously train to a higher level only 3 years ago, I know personally how easy it is to get confused if you are not listening to the right people
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Claire
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My last post was a bit rushed as was trying to get out of the office
Just wanted to add that for me personally, as a novice, I have found the last 3 years particularly challenging and I firmly believe that had I not had the individual help from 3 people inparticular I would have struggled massively. I won't embarrass people by naming them because 2 of them post on here but I will say that all 3 have achieved success in their own areas which have hugely contributed to my thoughts on what makes a good trainer
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Helen
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I actually understood your rushed post lol! and do agree with what you have said. For someone wanting to trial, I do think that someone who has had some experience and success is useful.
Was just wondering if you were saying that about all trainers to be good, they had to win awards.
Are you skiving? You've left before 6pm :-p
Helen
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Claire
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Moi skiving ? Never 
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Greyghost
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I think there are many people who are able to achieve themselves but not get it over to other people very well. Some trainers may be excellent in their field but not be a people person at all.
The best trainer for me would have to be somebody I respected, personable and can practice what they preach.
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sinan
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Who educate by his/herself and able to learn,
Who really loves dogs and has mercy and see the world dogs’ point of view,
Who could be patient
Who has a little bit ability makes the best trainer.
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