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munstyman



Joined: 10 Apr 2006
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Location: Swindon, Wiltshire

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If it's not putting your neck in a noose ,can you tell me, would the L.M.C. of its own volition give serious consideration to a controlled breeding programme? If it would what would the likely criteria be for a dog to be bred from ?

Laughing Laughing Laughing W.B I can tell you are a good fisherman, but this sly old pike ain't going to bite Wink Laughing
I am however, now very envious of those across the pond Mr. Green
What I can say is what criteria I would use before I bred an L.M. Namely both sire and dam would meet all the health criteria as set by the club, both would meet the breed standard and both would be proven in the field ( and would work in a manner I like ) Sounds pretty standard for a working breed, but you and I know not every one that owns a working breed, breeds a working dog.... Rolling Eyes ( N.B. I would probably retain part ownership of every pup bred and therefore have some extra control over any future breeding of My line, thats about as close as you are likely to get in controlled breeding in this country)
I'm glad you raised the point about DL's chiendog. There does seem to be the two types , Dutch and German. ( Feel free to jump in Langhaar Smile ) And they do seem to have a slightly different working style. The German types I found easier to read in their work ( very similar to L.M's so hardly suprising) The Dutch types seem to me to work with a pointer/setter approach with a twist, (not a brilliant description I know, but thats the best I can do Rolling Eyes ) Whilst I've experienced individuals within a breed that can do things slightly differently when working, on the whole they do tend to follow a breed trend and style, so the marked difference in the style of the Longhairs caught me by surprise and keeps me humble Shocked Laughing Laughing
Peter
p.s. Now I really must get back to my posting ban Wink

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lagopuslagopus



Joined: 01 May 2006
Posts: 407
Location: north wales

Breed: Large Munsterlander

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've broken it now Peter, so what's the point?
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munstyman



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not a wumun, I can not multitask Shocked so i'm trying to be disciplined and focused....now what was I saying Laughing Laughing
Peter
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windem bang



Joined: 03 Mar 2007
Posts: 3164
Location: central scotland

Breed: g.s.p. - brit.- labs.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Peter,

You didn't take a bite at my lure but you certainly took a swirl at it Exclamation Laughing
I think I can read between the lines pretty well on this one! Best of luck on your crusade.

Up to present I haven't noticed a queue of would be Munsty trainers forming up at my door or that of any other trainer. Shocked It looks like I will reuctantly have to write them off and consign them to the showdogs toybox.

Bill T.
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munster



Joined: 05 May 2006
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Location: carnoustie

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:43 pm    Post subject: munsters Reply with quote

Hi Bill, we would love if you would organise something for us scottish munster owners. we are a friendly bunch and love a chnace to learn. As it is not our thing we find it a bit daunting to do gundog work as at really kc events you have to be really good and we are all beginners but very keen to learn as are our dogs. We have a lot of dogs up here related to the raycris lines so we know they have it in them. Any help always appreciated.
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windem bang



Joined: 03 Mar 2007
Posts: 3164
Location: central scotland

Breed: g.s.p. - brit.- labs.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,
I'd be delighted to help if I can, I'm retired so I can usually be available. Just let me know where and when would suit you and I'll do my best to fit in.
If we can get something arranged I would like each handler to bring one dummy and a whistle and a lead. Nothing else is needed at this stage other than enthusiasm, yours and the dogs.

If I have to travel I will require petrol money but nothing else, I'd like to do it completely for nothing but I can't on a Post Office pension!

See you soon I hope.

Bill T.
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Christine W



Joined: 18 Apr 2006
Posts: 31
Location: Scotland

Breed: Large Munsterlander

PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bill,

I have PM'd you.

As to the LM in North America. I have an interest in the breed worldwide and was for a number of years a member of the LMCNA and have in my Munster collection the 20th anniversary book. Joe (Schmutz) is always a genuinely helpful guy in response to my emails about all connected subjects.

However I have to say HD is not eradicated in NA. Probably only about half the imports to that country have met their breeding requirements and cases of HD are there as well as ED and entropian.
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Linda W



Joined: 23 Jun 2007
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Location: Angus, Scotland

Breed: Large Munsterlander

PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all. my first time on here so please be kind!

Those of us who own and breed munsters in Scotland do try to make sure that the dogs are capable of being able to work as well as show/agility/obedience........... They are a multi purpose breed that will give you back as much, if not more, than you put into them. The problem that I am finding is that the local estates don't want untrained dogs on their property and not many farmers are willing to let you go out onto their land either. I would love to train my dogs. My first munster was bought primarily as a working bitch, bought to replace Spaniels. I still try to make sure that any I breed from still have a strong working ability, even though I don't work them. Wish I did. My latest litter come from strong working lines. Yes, I show them, but only for fun. I would much rather be out in the field with them. Any help would be extremely welcome.

I had hoped to be at the Nat Ap last weekend but I can't leave the puppies alone at home. They will be 8 weeks old on Tuesday and will start going to their new homes soon. Crying or Very sad Maybe next year...

Linda
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Joined: 01 May 2006
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Location: north wales

Breed: Large Munsterlander

PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're unlikely to get a better offer than Bill's if you are serious about training them to work.
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Christine W



Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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Location: Scotland

Breed: Large Munsterlander

PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to say............

........and surprised it didn't dawn on me until now. Actually a Munster bred in Scotland has had WT places including a 4th at the GWPC WT & a 1st at the LMC WT (Both times in Novice) a couple of years ago. The dog is Jagerreh Constance bred by myself (I'm English though does this count? Wink ) but she lives in Surrey (So again does this count??) but she was definitely bred in Scotland! Very Happy
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