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Bareve
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 Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject: Re: GWP- |
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| Danielle Mason wrote: | | Is this likely to happen with alot of matings between solid liver and black and white dogs? Or is this something that crops up every now and then? |
The majority of breeders wouldn't dream of putting b/w to solid livers as we know what the outcome is likely to be. Some people have bred this way due to inexperience and some are doing it deliberately to produce solid blacks. I would say in most of the litters using this combination has produced 2-4 puppies of solid black in colour.
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Rhimad
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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Oh yes, I do like them  |
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Danielle Mason
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:39 pm Post subject: Why |
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I cant see why they would do this.
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Rhimad
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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I presume any solid blacks in the litter wouldnt be able to be registered?
I still like them though, they are wireys so as far as I am concerned they could be tri coloured with pink spots and I would still want one, I just love wires.
Colour is immaterial to me, its personal preference a colour dosent affect working ability etc. I know when we first had wires I was told to steer clear of Solid Liver wires as they were aggressive, but I havent ever come across an agressive one. I am sure it has nothing to do with colour
If I could find a good working black and white (that isnt closely related) with all the right traits I would like to use one on Saker next year. I quite fancy a black and white.
Quite fancy a solid black one now though |
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Bareve
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Rhimad wrote: | I presume any solid blacks in the litter wouldnt be able to be registered?
I still like them though, they are wireys so as far as I am concerned they could be tri coloured with pink spots and I would still want one, I just love wires.
Colour is immaterial to me, its personal preference a colour dosent affect working ability etc. I know when we first had wires I was told to steer clear of Solid Liver wires as they were aggressive, but I havent ever come across an agressive one. I am sure it has nothing to do with colour
If I could find a good working black and white (that isnt closely related) with all the right traits I would like to use one on Saker next year. I quite fancy a black and white.
Quite fancy a solid black one now though |
No the KC will register any colour combination despite asking all breed clubs what are the breed's recognised colours and indicated that any other colour applied for would be classed as "non-standard". We've had grey and white, grey brindle, brindle and the blacks are either registered as black or black and white because they have a white bit on their chest
We all have preferences to colours but for me that will only ever come into the decision making when every bit of conformation etc are identical. Mind you the dark b/w's aren't that easy to see on a dark winters afternoon in the middle of a thick wood!!
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Rhimad
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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I didnt realise that there had been so many variations in colours.
Thats it isnt it, there are many things to take into consideration before looking at colour.
I can just picture John out stalking with a solid black, until it started to go dark He might struggle, he would have to wear a flashing collar. |
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Bareve
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Rhimad wrote: | I didnt realise that there had been so many variations in colours.
Thats it isnt it, there are many things to take into consideration before looking at colour.
I can just picture John out stalking with a solid black, until it started to go dark He might struggle, he would have to wear a flashing collar. |
That was when I realised how difficult it was with b/w was when we were all out beating and there was Calvin, Alex's Boogie (who was a light l/w) and Peter Lomasney's two liver roan dogs and I could see all of them three but not Calvin and he wasn't that much further in front. They were all wet, it was about 2.30pm and a thick wood - Alex was the lucky one she could see Boogie so easily !!
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Rhimad
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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hmmmmm good point, maybe not quite so practical then from the working point.
Most of Johns stalking is in woodland, some of it quite thick, Odin and Alf have white tips on their tails which helps, Odin is quite dark liver and Skye at times look black/white, especially when she is wet. |
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Helen
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I think that's when the paler ones would be good as you do struggle to see even Harvey on a moor, particularly in spring when the heather isn't in bloom.
Regarding colour, I personally think we should be sticking to the standard.
The gwpxlabs I have seen have been solid black with a white chest - bit of useless information there!
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Bareve
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Helen wrote: |
The gwpxlabs I have seen have been solid black with a white chest - bit of useless information there!
Helen |
Those friends of mine who live on the Bowhill estate have seen a couple of these labxgwp mixes and she said they are lovely looking - like a very stocky GWP. Kerren asked the one "gun" who came with one saying why did he go for one of those and he said that they had the best of both worlds - the retrieving skills and calmer nature of the Lab and yet the hunting/nose of the GWP.
Saw on epupz the other week that another litter was being advertised so it's seems not to be a "one off" mistake !
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