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A very good read indeed
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:11 pm    Post subject: A very good read indeed Reply with quote

Hi All,

I just finished reading yet another excellent article from the Terrierman's blog "The Daily Dose". It inspired me to update my blog http://www.chiendog.blogspot.com/

If you are not familiar with the Terrierman's blog, I encourage you to check it out at http://terriermandotcom.blogspot.com/.

While many of his articles deal with Terrier-specific topics, there are several that are about breeding working dogs in general. In my opinon, they should be required reading for anyone even thinking about getting an hpr and especially by those who chose to breed them.  

Here is a link to Terrierman's excellent article on the KC and the AKC.

http://terriermandotcom.blogspot.com/2006/05/inbred-thinking.html

and here is another

http://terriermandotcom.blogspot....etics-of-iditarod-and-crufts.html


Enjoy!!


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

O.K. I'll bite! This is preaching to the converted. I rather suspect most dog owners can see right through the K.C. attitudes. It hasn't been about the dogs for a very long time - if it ever was !!!
I do think it is wrong that the K.C. runs a monopoly on our dogs. People are wanting to make money and if the monopoly is working in your favour and making you money or is in some way increasing your prestige then you will stick with it.

No K.C. that really cared about dogs would allow the registration of some of the poor mis-shaped dog breeds that are all too common. We are demanding that dogs have certain health checks before being bred from but turning a blind eye to the plight of several entire breeds of dogs that have deliberate physical faults bred into them as part of their "breed standard" their conformation !!! The K.C. goes along with this because it boosts someones wage packet within that organisation.

Any one who has read my past posts knows I am not really a "breed" person. There are many breeds I like and many crossbreeds I would like to try for gundog work. If I were to find a crossbreed that was disgustingly healthy on all counts and which was was capable of beating all opposition when worked and which could breed its like - would the K.C. welcome it with open arms ???  No it would not. It would stick with the same breeds calling them purebreds and turning a blind eye to the absolute fact that they were ALL crossbreds at one time!

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most within the last 100 years Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

windem bang wrote:
O.K. I'll bite! This is preaching to the converted. I rather suspect most dog owners can see right through the K.C. attitudes. It hasn't been about the dogs for a very long time - if it ever was !!!
I do think it is wrong that the K.C. runs a monopoly on our dogs. People are wanting to make money and if the monopoly is working in your favour and making you money or is in some way increasing your prestige then you will stick with it.

No K.C. that really cared about dogs would allow the registration of some of the poor mis-shaped dog breeds that are all too common. We are demanding that dogs have certain health checks before being bred from but turning a blind eye to the plight of several entire breeds of dogs that have deliberate physical faults bred into them as part of their "breed standard" their conformation !!! The K.C. goes along with this because it boosts someones wage packet within that organisation.

Any one who has read my past posts knows I am not really a "breed" person. There are many breeds I like and many crossbreeds I would like to try for gundog work. If I were to find a crossbreed that was disgustingly healthy on all counts and which was was capable of beating all opposition when worked and which could breed its like - would the K.C. welcome it with open arms ???  No it would not. It would stick with the same breeds calling them purebreds and turning a blind eye to the absolute fact that they were ALL crossbreds at one time!

Bill T.


Well said!!  but also the breeder has to take some responcability for what they are doing.  Alot of the big name breeders don't get on with other breeders. Hense this only closes down the gene pool, they don't like giving any one a sniff of what they have, they say they are protecting THEIR breed lines  (who did they get them from ?)
If only they could get thier noise out of the clouds and tried to get along the gene pools would be alot bigger and alot healthier.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you,

Just wasted the morning reading through most of this site  Shocked
As someone who dislikes the sophistry, bad syllogism and fadism of modern dog people, Iv'e found an opinionated, reactional, gainsayer, so familiar I'm going to ask my mother if she gave any of her children up for adoption.

Marvelous, thanks for pointing me to that site Chiendog   Very Happy  Very Happy

(and its about Terriers as well.........)
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
sophistry, bad syllogism and fadism

Duh???
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question Double Duh  Exclamation  Question Must get a dickshaunery one of these days! Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My we have clever people on here Rolling Eyes  
Sophistry in MS Word means literalism, which in turn means pedantry, laboriousness and/or lack of imagination.
Syllogism - a form of argument used in logic in which a conclusion is drawn from two propositions, or premises.
I regret 'fadism' was not found in the Encarta dictionary, was it meant to be faddism? - the existence of or participation in briefly popular fashions
Any wiser Bill? Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocked  don't know about Bill but its as clear as mud to me lol  Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do they always write like this in Morayshire, if so could someone translate because I'm bu..ered if I know what fincally is talking about. Must be a head down too many holes.
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