Have seen old postcards too of tri Gordon's, as for the ones I've seen trialling they were easier to watch on heather.
It's now getting to be a serious problem in Longhairs and it's time the country where it's happening stops burying it's head in the sand and starts to do something about it.
This is why my days of breeding German bloodline GLP's are numbered. Good longhairs will be bred to mediocre ones and the surplus sold as pets, as per norm in the UK. I don't want to see this happen so I'd rather stop now, this breed deserves more. Years of German "engineering " and bloody good dogs will be lost, but who cares in the UK ?
Isn't it the same in every breed where the dogs are taken to other countries They are then changed to suit the importers idea of what they should be and not the original
There is a tri-colour Gordon, which is almost white, in Malcolm Willis's book Genetics for Dog Breeders. However these people were basing the markings on the black and tan [think I have said that before] _________________ Jan
Ghillie, hips 8/9=17 and Merlin, hips 9/9=18 My opinions are brilliant, intelligent [sometimes] and MINE alone! If you want one I can give it to you. Sean Bean has wrinkles just like Bill!!!
They are then changed to suit the importers idea of what they should be and not the original
Surely it is just as well that this happens on ocassion otherwise the Brittany (or indeed any other "breed", with I guess the SRHP being a notable modern example) wouldn't exist in the first place would it? (I am correct in thinking that Spaniels and Setters where involved in the Brittany's origins?)
Brenda, presumably these coat variations are coming from dogs with Dutch dogs behind them? (I am thinking of the recent setter influence)
Out of curiousity does anyone think that Bruce Cattanach's bob tail boxers are any less boxers now for having Corgi blood added twelve or so years ago? _________________ Fi 1 year old Weimaraner
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Out of curiousity does anyone think that Bruce Cattanach's bob tail boxers are any less boxers now for having Corgi blood added twelve or so years ago?
I understand 5 generations is sufficient to consider a dog pure. _________________ Guy; Ellie Topaz Catja. http://www.epagneulbreton.org.uk
Brenda, presumably these coat variations are coming from dogs with Dutch dogs behind them? (I am thinking of the recent setter influence)
Well there goes my diplomacy tactics, ooops that's another arrow in my back.
I'm not against introducing like breeds into bloodlines to increase diversity as in shorthairs mated to Longhairs in Germany. This however was under strict control by knowledgable participants who knew what they were doing. If there is a valid argument sustained by data from the rest of the world then why not.That's how breeds evolved any way.
If it's an animal that's going to be eated it's genetic makeup is strictly regulated and if the double humped, six legged bovine from Brataslavia will introduce fatter rumps for steaks I'm sure scientists at DEFRA will research it. The best genetisits and research on cattle is in Holland.
Dogs however aren't and that's why genetic problems occur. Breeding is about individuals wanting to win competitions either testing the work they were bred for or looking pretty for the showring.If it was about improving standards then just look at HPR's. How many retain those qualities which made them so exciting in the first place and do they still look and are the same colour as original foundation stock? How many countries who breed HPR's want English bloodlines ?
Why change a breed into some dog you want for your hunting.
Whynot choose the breed who is developed for that kind of hunt you have.
We have to stick by FCI standard. My GLP's are looking like GLP I found in old books. I am talking about the year 1900.
So no more breeding with wrong colours and dog's who are not FCI standard.
Also test your dog for the hunting quality's they should have like the first GLP.
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Some times I think , Brenda you know everything. But trust me I think I know a little bit more about bloodlines and pedigrees.
Here Puck's lookalike in 1959.
No this is Halla Fortuna.
No my friend , I don't know everything !, who does ? but what I am willing to do is learn from continental breeders who have proved they are breeding to FCI standards and do so by bringing their stock to be assessed over here.
I don't follow you Mike.......if we, in the UK and elsewhere,have brought over continental breeds because we like them, what then is the point of changing them into something different The Brittany was developed in France for french hunters and, presumably, the people who first imported them liked what they saw in France, so why change the breed [given that the majority of breeds, including humans, evolve over the years anyway] Personaly I don't see the logic...but then, I'm not a logical person anyway
_________________ Jan
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They are then changed to suit the importers idea of what they should be and not the original 
