Saying that GWP's or German Drahthaars are the same breed as the DD just ain't so - that's like saying that the Cocker Spaniel and the Springer Spaniel are the same breed. In both cases, they used to be, but are no longer. http://altmoor.com/Deutsch-Drahthaars/ddfaqs.html
From all reports, they are excellent dogs and have racked up impressive wins in competition. However, they may not be quite what the Germans had in mind.
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If that's the case make it legitimate, not word of mouth.
It has been suggested but nothing so far has come of it. Unofficially, it has become rather common currency in versatile dog circles to use the different terms, in fact there are even a couple of people calling their dogs "American Wirehaired Pointers"...unofficially of course.
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The Large Munsterlanders US don't call themselves with their German definition of size although they test JGHV.
Sorry, I am not quite sure I understand this statement, but in any case the current situation of the Large Munsterlander in North America is actually quite interesting. First of all, unlike many of the other continentals, the breed is not represented by a strictly American (US) club. The Large Munsterlander Club of North American is international in scope representing dogs and breeders in Canada and the US. Secondly, the club has taken advantage of a little-known statute in Canada as well as the patent laws in the US to almost "copyright" the name Large Munsterlander (hence the ® symbol after the name on all their official documents and website).
As of January 1, 1983 the Large Munsterlander Club of North America® (LMCNA) maintains the official registry for all LM pups born in North America. Prior to this time registration was done through the German Verband Grosse Münsterländer and records were crosslisted. Close correspondence is maintained with the German club. In the fall of 1999, the Large Munsterlander Club of North America® was incorporated under the Animal Pedigree Act of Canada. This means that performance-based breeding has become an essential element of the breed. Only Large Munsterlanders issued LMCNA papers are recognized as purebred and/or registered. LMCNA received service-mark approval from the U.S. Patent and Trademark office in January 2001.
I don't know any breeders who are specifically breeding for a Job, Mylord etc " type ".
Like any new breed making an entry onto the world wide stage information can be accurate and inaccurate. Whatever the testing system, breeder or environment, in my eyes there are only two types of Longhairs, good ones and bad ones. I've seen both in Germany even though a breed master system applies. There are continental breeders who breed GLP's who are as good as those bred by respected breeders in the country of origin. The Germans must think so as their dogs have been featured in the DL Mitteilungen and their kennels have links on Gruppe websites too.
All testing systems are guide lines. Good dogs will be graded high, mediocre ones pass and bad ones will fail. But a breed isn't just about it's performance.
If Americans want 2 types, well that's up to them. It will be interesting to see in time which group produces quality in type , performance and most important of all, temperament.
What is the difference between a DL and a GLP aka DL NA.
A DL comes from a breed club that is a member of the FCI. The owner country writes the breed standard which in English is German Longhaired Pointer.
A GLP is not recognised by a breed club that is a member of the FCI.
Breed standard is an adaptation of the official DL standard. There is no FCI standard for the German Longhaired Pointer as there is no owner country of the German Longhair.
So according to the DL Gruppe North Amerika UK registered Longhairs aren't DL's GLP's or German Longhairs, must just be mutts then
This is from a flyer the DL NA Gruppe handed out at the Michigan Pheasant Fest recently. Larry may be going to the GLPC NA breed weekend in October which should be interesting.
Good to know your club may be thinking of organising a seminar on the LM and GLP which hopefully will take place at the end of this year or the next. Will we see you there ?
Good to know your club may be thinking of organising a seminar on the LM and GLP which hopefully will take place at the end of this year or the next. Will we see you there ?
Wouldn't miss that, it sounds like it would be very informative...and fun
Peter
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