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chiendog
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 Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject: What's in a name? |
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I've recently posted a short article on my blog about HPR breed names. It is mainly about how I will deal with the hard to pronounce names when I write the breed descriptions in my book, but I have also listed some other issues I will tackle.
At the end of the piece I ask for some input regarding specific questions that HPR enthusiasts may have regarding breed names. So I thought I would also post the request here.
Does anyone have any questions/comments about the way a particular breed name is pronounced or translated? Any questions/comments about the origins of any names? I'm looking for the important things that I should cover in order to give a complete overview of why's when's and wherefore's of breed names.
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Craig
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Craig,
Thought this was an interesting one and was worried it may got lost so have bumped it to the top for a while.
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chiendog
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Thanks Mike!
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I think Slovakian Rough Haired Pointer is a blimming long and unmanageable name and Slovak is much more manageable. I can hardly fit "Slovakian Rough Haired Pointer" in the box on entry forms and if I abbreviate to SRP, I get calls from secretarys to ask me what breed that is! I'm not saying that's how they should be named in your book, just making an observation!
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This is just why the KC won't let us have Epagneul Breton I think. None of them can pronounce it, spell it, or even know what it means. And it ISN'T French Spaniel 
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I don't know if this counts but I've always been uncertain whether or not the W in Weimaraner is pronounced as a W or as a V ???
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BritAnnie
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And what's the correct spelling of Viszla or Vizsla
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chiendog
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| josie wrote: | | I think Slovakian Rough Haired Pointer is a blimming long and unmanageable name and Slovak is much more manageable... |
I was finally able to get my tongue around the whole name after a few lessons from the club secretary in Slovakia. I grew up listening to my father speak Ukrainian to my grandparents, so I think that helped a bit as well, but the name is a tough one to pronounce.
I was told that it is perfectly acceptable to drop the hardest word "Hrubosrsty" and just say Slovenski Stavac (Slow-ven-ski Sta Vatch)
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| BritAnnie wrote: | | This is just why the KC won't let us have Epagneul Breton I think. None of them can pronounce it, spell it, or even know what it means. And it ISN'T French Spaniel |
Interestingly, the French say "Spaniel" for Cockers, Springers etc. I don't know which is funnier, an English speaker trying to say "Epagneul de Saint Usuge" or a French speaker trying to say "Irish Water Spaniel"
So for the record Epagneul Breton is pronounced Aye Pan Yull Bru (like the oo sound of book or look) taw (n) the n is just barely pronounced.
Aye Pan Yul Bru Taw(n)
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| windem bang wrote: | I don't know if this counts but I've always been uncertain whether or not the W in Weimaraner is pronounced as a W or as a V ???
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In Germany it is "V". In North America, it is most often "W". In the UK, I have heard both, but my friend Richard Jupp always says "Vye mar ON er"
In France, where the breed is known as the Braque de Weimar, the w is pronounced as a "v". Brak deh Vay Mar
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