Such a memorable retrieve wasn't it Brenda _________________ Sharon Pinkerton
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That's a cracking photo of Freddy I must ask Wayne to send me what else he may have of Freddy.
Tag's retrieve was still the retrieve of the day tho Brenda _________________ Sharon Pinkerton
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I've just read this entire thread and I must say i take my hat off to the lot of you. I honestly can't believe that you were all so polite for 8 pages of posts responding to this self - aggrandising blowhard who seems to have come hear only to stir the pot and blow his own "concealed identity" horn. You are all undoubtedly better people than I am.
A quick question from a foreigner...with your style of "hunting" ie driven shoots, what purpose does an HPR serve anyway? Aren't they by their very nature designed for Labs and Springer/Cockers exclusively? Granted I have no experience with this kind of "hunting" but I would like to learn where the versatile dogs fit into it?
Furthermore I can 100% guarantee that any pup bred by me will eat, sleep, urinate and defecate....a lot! Other than that, your guess is as good as mine
A quick question from a foreigner...with your style of "hunting" ie driven shoots, what purpose does an HPR serve anyway?
Driven shooting is only one style of "hunting" and an HPR can be as good as a retriever for this. Getting to work them as an HPR is designed to work is IMO the hardest thing to do especially when you don't shoot yourself, so at other times I would do whatever work was available. They are after all 'versatile' dogs.
Some are more 'versatile' that others Just like their owners _________________ Jan
Ghillie, hips 8/9=17 and Merlin, hips 9/9=18 My opinions are brilliant, intelligent [sometimes] and MINE alone! If you want one I can give it to you. Sean Bean has wrinkles just like Bill!!!
I've just had a good reread of this thread because it is of interest, especially at the moment my pupsters I kept back started with a good start and nice soft mouths but having been off in kennels I am not so sure what the future holds too much access to lots of dogs as a pack and their toys and bones I think
One of the things mentioned was broken bones of a pheasant with no marks from a retrieve a dog has done but the bones on a pheasant can be broken from the fall, I've picked up a few birds who have been damaged like this without a dog being near it so when can you tell if it is the dog that has done the damage or the fall???
With the obvious experience of the person who started this thread having been a gun for HPRs on trials what dogs have you seen that you have been impressed with??? If any???
Having access to these dogs whilst they are working is an obvious advantage to those of us that don't have this opportunity so I am surprised that you have not been able to find a suitable dog from a suitable breeder through direct observation.
There is always the option of buying in a dog that is already trained and has a proven soft mouth, obviously you wouldn't have the pleasure of doing it yourself and there would be an increased cost but this might be the only way that you can guarantee a dog with a soft mouth??? _________________ These are my personal opinions and do not represent in any way the views of the WCGB.
I have been lazy for years and I can't remember the last time that I didn't skin a pheasant. The net result is that I get to see the place where the dog is most lightly to lift a bird, the body, free of all possible cover. I think I can tell the difference between severe shot damage and puncture marks caused by teeth, for a start off the teeth damage tends not to bleed as much.
I don't remember ever seeing a damaged rib cage that hadn't been poorly shot. That doesn't mean that the bird hadn't been crunched but the benefit of the doubt must be given to the dog in this situation.
Ironically I saw a big black labrador dog take a cock bird in it's mouth and give it such a squeeze that you could hear it thirty yards away. I made a point of getting that bird and although it was "out of shape" there wasn't a tooth mark on it.
The most common broken bones are legs and wings but quite often these birds are close hit and picked by the gun, never having been in a dog's mouth.
I won't probably have to ever judge a trial where birds are retrieved and for that I give thanks as having seen the state some hand picked birds are in I would hate to have to adjudicate on a bird with torn skin that Fido had produced.
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