I made a point of getting that bird and although it was "out of shape" there wasn't a tooth mark on it.
There don't have to be teeth marks for the ribs to be damaged.
Someone I know, who has taken the new Judging exam, has been saying that the KC have changed their rules on hard mouth. He says that now, unless you can feel sharp bits sticking out. even if the bird is flat on both sides, it is not put out for hard mouth and that is how he is judging. Has anyone else who has taken this exam come away with the same thinking? I have read my new copy of the FT regs that arrived this week and it seems to say the same as the last ones to me - that if the ribs are caved in or flat this may be evidence of hard mouth.
Someone I know, who has taken the new Judging exam, has been saying that the KC have changed their rules on hard mouth. He says that now, unless you can feel sharp bits sticking out. even if the bird is flat on both sides, it is not put out for hard mouth and that is how he is judging. Has anyone else who has taken this exam come away with the same thinking? I have read my new copy of the FT regs that arrived this week and it seems to say the same as the last ones to me - that if the ribs are caved in or flat this may be evidence of hard mouth.
I think it depends on the "teacher" Karen as the one we took there was no inference that the rules had changed in anyway. However I do know of one of the A panel people doing these "exams" has always had the opinion that you state above so I wonder if this was this "teacher's" views on the day? _________________ Sharon Pinkerton
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I made a point of getting that bird and although it was "out of shape" there wasn't a tooth mark on it.
There don't have to be teeth marks for the ribs to be damaged.
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Then on the other hand I've seen a runner picked up by a young dog who then badly tore the neck of the bird where it joins the body - ribs were perfectly OK and un-damaged but this bitch was put out of the trial for damage. It sure didn't look "pretty" but the ribs were OK and the damage wasn't on the bird of the bird you would be eating anyway! _________________ Sharon Pinkerton
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In that situation Sharon I would have thought they would take into consideration what the dog had to do to catch the bird - as always it's down to someone's personal opinion though.
In that situation Sharon I would have thought they would take into consideration what the dog had to do to catch the bird - as always it's down to someone's personal opinion though.
That's exactly what the gallery said and it was a talking point for the rest of the day. Bearing in mind that the bitch had already retrieved a bird to hand without damage it was a strange decision! _________________ Sharon Pinkerton
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In that situation Sharon I would have thought they would take into consideration what the dog had to do to catch the bird - as always it's down to someone's personal opinion though.
That's exactly what the gallery said and it was a talking point for the rest of the day. Bearing in mind that the bitch had already retrieved a bird to hand without damage it was a strange decision!
There's been many a strange discision made in field trials _________________ Claire Minstergate Weimaraners
He says that now, unless you can feel sharp bits sticking out. even if the bird is flat on both sides, it is not put out for hard mouth and that is how he is judging.
Now you know why you have to have a sense of humour when you go Trialing
With regard to the damage done to the runner, was the bird still alive on delivery? as I have seen a couple of instances where a strong runner in full view of the judges is `killed' by the dog and this has eliminated the dog. There is always the chance that the bird expires naturally of course during the retrieve, so would assume the judges have to be fairly certain of what they see and if in doubt give the dog the benefit in adjudication.
Peter
A photo of Ekko delivering her snipe, taken by Alex Hatton who was out with his camera on Friday, when we were working on the Lleyn. This was her HPR on a still very alive snipe. One of my favourite photos this season.
This was the point
Only one more day left now on Friday. A lot more woodcock had moved back after the freezing weather last week so hopefully they will still be around.
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