It was a tough day by all accounts Lynn and disapointing all the dogs didn't get into game. Larry told me your dog hunted well, congratulations on your Guns Award. Sometimes it's even better to win this on a difficult day as it is to win a piece of paper!
We had one of the lucky runs, and found and produced several birds but the damn guns missed them all They were too busy watching her hunt and telling me how exciting she was Unfortunately her second run was blank.
langhaar wrote:
Absolutely not ! We hairies have to stick together.
What we are pleased about is German bred dogs are adaptable to the UK shooting field. This is our third German bred with FT Awards and similar has been achieved very successfully by Sharon and Kimmax GWP's. Next time I hear those who should no better in HPR's spout German dogs are aggresive, hard mouthed, out of control etc I'll bite them in the bum
Alot of people don't realise that in Germany aggressive, hard mouthed, out of control, hard to train dogs don't get passed for the Hunting insurance or to be bred from so are useless. Therefore no breeder is going to breed that type of dog.
Dixie is out of one of the Pet Passport puppies so is very close to the German lines and it shows.
Well done Larry and Brenda - heard today that you'd got a COM on Monday
It is very satisfying Brenda to prove that the German bred dogs are fully capable of adjusting and collecting awards under the UK system which is very different to what is expected of them back in Germany. However Freddy is the only "German" GWP, (VJP score of 77) to go on and win a UK F/T award. We did have two German bred dogs - bred by Major George Wilkinson, who were born in quarantine, who also won F/T awards but they were brought up under the UK system and they were many years ago! _________________ Sharon Pinkerton
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Alot of people don't realise that in Germany aggressive, hard mouthed, out of control, hard to train dogs don't get passed for the Hunting insurance or to be bred from so are useless. Therefore no breeder is going to breed that type of dog
Spot on !
What's even better is their instincts are passed on to their progeny, with our first sire Konan, both Baiser and Buchse had FT Awards, with Arthur I'll have to wait a while as I sold our D litter trialling prospect to Ireland( sometimes you have to let good dogs go ) so now it's up to the E litter next season . Freddie is also passing on his incredible skills so yes results are proof in the pudding these bloodlines can be a positive thing over here.
Have you had to re- train the dogs (Freddy included) to compete in the UK? The little I know about trials (or whatever they are called) in Germany, is that they are expected to do things a little differently.
Have you had to re- train the dogs (Freddy included) to compete in the UK? The little I know about trials (or whatever they are called) in Germany, is that they are expected to do things a little differently.
Helen
We certainly had to re-train Freddy as his prized hare work (all 12 out of 12) was the complete opposite of what we wanted in the UK - he was loud and unsteady to hares! I'm pretty sure that Freddy's 77 in his VJP is the highest score of all the German imports to have been imported - but if I'm wrong I'm sure someone will tell me The Germans all told us that once we wanted to get Freddy steady on hares we would need to use the e-collar -which I am pleased to say we didn't go down that route! I did lots and lots of exposure and loads of verbal whenever we came across hares Now he immediately goes into the down position as soon as he comes across a hare - most times before I've even blown the whistle (down position has always been his natural position when taught the stop whistle).
He knew no whistle commands as they are allowed just to run and show what natural aptitude they have in their puppy tests so I had to teach him those commands too. Fortunately his hunting pattern was already very good when I saw him at 6 months so I knew he could hunt the wind correctly so that was one aspect I've done nothing too other than enjoy!
We heard so many stories about how "determined" the German dogs were in their independent hunting and I have to say that Freddy has been the most biddable dog I've trained - quite unlike some of the German dogs I've seen
From what I've seen so many of the German tests are staged tests which can be trained for unlike our F/T's where so much of it is down to how well you dog deals with a live quarry and what happens after the shot- which is part training and part natural ability. There are drags and blood tracks - which are an exposure/training exercise like the retrieving exercises. The work in the forest, walk on a loose lead, be steady to gun shot, steady to gun shot whilst on a stay whilst handler is out of sight are all training exercises. There is a hunting test where judges are on the edge of a set area and the dog is caste to hunt independently from the handler and the judges call out when they see the dog so you know if they have gone to all corners as such. Also the water tests are all basically trained exercises with various degrees of difficulty.
So I would certainly say that the foreign dogs could be quite easily trained for the UK F/T's as by the time they are fully trained and tested through the system they are deemed to be totally versatile. _________________ Sharon Pinkerton
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Had an interesting conversation with someone yesterday about why Longhairs weren't popular. His theory was they " were too much dog " for most people and their hunting drive was too frightening for the average handler.Interstingly tho, he said the recent influx ogf German lines in the LM's, GWP's and GSP's (in his opinion)was an assett in the UK because it has introduced "determination " in some bloodlines. As for the Longhair if breeders can introduce more biddability and be seen more often in the trialling scene, it's reputation may become more positive. In his own successfull dogs his first consideration for breeding is biddability because if you haven't got that you'll end up with a kennel of dogs who are very hard to train. These dogs he would discard, however good the reputation of the bloodline and start again. In some circumstances he'd far rather use a consistent working sire than a highflyer one off Ft Ch with the " luck ". He suggested more owners should go out and watch potential sires work on a shooting day, not just at a trial.
As a breeder I've never looked at our German stock thro rose coloured spectacles.Konan had instinct in abundance but was headstrong but this did give us oodles of experience with training.For our second dog we wanted more biddability without losing those characteristics which for us, made this breed so exciting and I think we have succeeded.Bringing in foreign blood, in my opinion, is a great responsibility
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They were too busy watching her hunt and telling me how exciting she was 
Unfortunately her second run was blank.
