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Bareve · Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:28 am Post subject:

I've only seen two Bracci working and they were on a shot over day and they put up a pretty decent performance all day.

However I've never seen any in F/T's or working tests which is a shame when you keep hearing how good they are back in Italy. Everything to do with dogs is expensive but we cut down on entering the number of little shows so that I had more time and money to do working tests and F/T's to prove that despite our shows wins our dogs were more than capable of working.
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windem bang · Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:32 am Post subject:

Both showing dogs and trialing dogs is expensive. It often seems however that many of those who claim to have dual purpose dogs do so with no foundation to their claims.
Certainly to compete in ,lets say two trials ,would be expensive. When I trialed I found the trial itself to be the tip of the iceberg where expense was concerned ! I could not begin to add up how much work at overtime rates I turned down in order to spend money on petrol and boot leather taking my dogs out to train them day after day often 50 miles from home.
I know trialing is expensive - often for not very much in the way of returns.
I have been sitting here,trying to remember,trying to add things up.

I will miss out on anything other than 1st. places - I only ever trialed two H.P.R.'s -- one Brittany who would not nowadays be allowed into a showring as she was "the wrong type" or had the "wrong conformation!"
Brenda - try asking Wilson Young or Peter O'Driscoll what she worked like. She ran the hills at Lauder with their dogs and did a lot of picking up down that way too. She won at Crufts back then though so I think you could say she was "proven dual purpose" in fact ,not just in type of breed. I am not certain but I think she ran in 9 trials of which she won 3.

The G.S.P. also won in the showring - with someone else handling ! Laughing

She also ran in 7 trials (I think ) and won 2 of them.

I make that something like a total of 16 trials for 5 first places.

I ran both of these bitches and one dog in a total of 4 Spring Pointing Tests , the results were , if I remember correctly - 2 Goods (the Britanny) and 2 Very Goods (the two G.S.P.'s)

I spent money to get those results and I spent a great deal of thought, time and effort. Probably because of that ,I find it irritating when people who claim they don't have the time or the money to trial do manage to find the money to go all over the country to shows on a regular basis. They still claim to have dual purpose dogs but they only ever prove one side of that claim.

Damn - I'm back on my hobby horse again ! Rolling Eyes

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langhaar · Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:46 pm Post subject:

You're making me hanker for the season to start again ! What better place for a hard running dog than Lauder.I've seen all breeds of pointers on those moors who took my breathe away!

From our own point of view I think we have proved our bloodlines in the UK having had 3 imported German dogs who have gained UK FT awards and their progeny too. Now we can take a step back and hope we have set a standard other owners will follow.

windem bang · Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:50 pm Post subject:

Claire · Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 2:33 pm Post subject:

Well I am absolutely gutted that I cannot make the test tomorrow, flippin bitches in season Rolling Eyes

So I'm going to consol myself with a lovely lunch with Claire R instead Very Happy

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windem bang · Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:56 pm Post subject:

anniebrac · Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:37 pm Post subject:

Hiya

Well, with Ruby I'm the other way. I train her because I can't show her as she has an overshot jaw. With Stella I do try to do both though. I have shown her at champ shows locally and she has been placed on each occasion but I just don't really like the politics that surround showing tbh. On the other hand, I would really like to trial my dogs rather than just work them locally on informal shoots, but I find it quite daunting going along on my own. If I had a buddy I certainly would make the effort to trial my bracs, because they are more than capable of doing it. I wonder if the politics that surrounding showing, surround trialling as well. Is that the case?
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weima · Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:21 pm Post subject:

windem bang · Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:54 pm Post subject:

I agree with Weima but when I trialed the bitching was not as bad as in the showring - I don't know for sure what things are like now.
I.M.O. the bitching doesn't really happen too much except perhaps between kennels who are trying to make names for themselves.

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terrier · Joined: 06 Jan 2009 Posts: 49 **Breed:**

I like the point of only talking about 1st place,i was always told that 2nd place is 1st last :lol:Some of These "dual purpose" dogs,are they the ones sold as suitable for work ,show or pet?.I always thought that those 3 words really ment "hedging your bets",ie if you`ve got the brass then i`ve got just the pup for you!come on in!!