However I was surprised at the fact that the handlers were right alongside the dogs when they flushed (and in one case the handler flushed the birds). I would have thought for a championship stake they would be expected to flush and remain steady from a distance like the HPR's are expected to do in Open F/T's! Just an observation from an outsider.
Loved the last clip of the Irish bitch who obviously didn't really want to caste out to the left too far and then did a great out-run on the right hand side which made you think the wind was wrong for her on the left hand caste _________________ Sharon Pinkerton
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The setters I've been out with Sharon have all been like that - the handler seems to do a lot of the actual flushing. The birds also don't have to get up from the nose of the dog. I was told that the reason they did that was to try and get the birds to flush one at a time rather than the whole covey at once.
The world championship for HPRs was worse. Something about continental rules applying?
I know the DK team were a bit peeved as the rules on flushing there are virtually the same as here.
It may not be much of a disadvantage on open ground for grouse or snipe but I don't think it will be very effective for a woodcock or pheasant tucked into a briar thicket. _________________ Kennel Trudvang Home of the Vikings.
The German system for testing is the same for all their hunting breeds.
Breeding regs include an inbreeding coefficient calculation of less than 4%, in Longhairs line breeding is not allowed. Stud dogs can only be used 12 times, repeat matings must have permission and only for exceptional circumstances.
In this breed their committee's are concerned UK dogs are becoming bird only specialised and are judged accordingly while specific characteristics including an adaptable nose which can differentiate multiple game scents combined with an ability to swim in the coldest of temperatures for a lenghth of time ( which is far longer than the water retrieve at the end of the trial in the UK) are being bred out.
They believe these instincts are an integral part of this breed and even tho tracking may not be required in every day hunting in the UK with its unique reliance on reared birds for sport, they suggest this ability should be part of their assessment IF German bloodlines are required in the UK.
Over there a dog may be required for deer one day, boar another which is true adaptability. In their eyes breeding/ working a versatile dog for a singular feather role will in time dilute those characteristics which defined their original role.
The German system is different because they cannot own a hunting license without owning a dog who has passed their German hunting club tests.These tests are designed for multi purpose hunting and that's why they have to protect these instincts in their dogs. Extending this protection in their bloodlines in countries with less strict or no government canine legislation is debatable.
We wanted longhairs of original type and purpose and am quite willing to add a further dimension to their work by introducing a tracking role, however the majority of HPR owners seem to be content with the role defined by our KC testing system.
Recently I was speaking with the owner of two GLPs of Dutch decent She had asked me about the LMCs Natural Aptitude Test, so I started explaining the tracking section - "Oh I don't think my dogs could do that, they are air scenting dogs" I was very nearly speechless Its a good job she didn't go to the recent Nat Apt as one of the judges was a lady from Germany whose family breed GMs and DLs
I find the german system very interesting it is very sad that we could not have a similar thing here our own kennel club appear to have no interest all the time they are able to take money for registrations and the clubs are often worried that the reduction in membership that would result from too strict breeding criteria would be detrimental to the breed itself especially as some of the large scale and popular breeders would not meet the basic criteria.
The only problem that I can see is that if you have taken a good litter from germany using their guide lines and then opt to sell them here that you won't find the right homes for all the puppies as the majority of the needs for a dog here are very different to those of continental europe. Working homes being the most suitable, it would be a waste of a dog if they were given to pet homes with that background and level of committment to breeding.
Which qualifications did you bitch have to do prior to breeding??? Did you go to Germany to do them??
The germans like us still have a problem with people breeding outside the club its only members who adher to there rules and regulations. You can see that by the number of ads for dogs and puppies on some of the websites. _________________ These are my personal opinions and do not represent in any way the views of the WCGB.
In the case of LMs we did not need any "qualification" as Herr Ergon Vornholt one of the "Elders" of the German Club has been good friends with Raymond, Michael, and Christine (Raycris) for over thirty years. He knows of the LMC 's Natural Aptitude test and of the commitment (of some Kennels) to produce the correct type of Munsterlander for the purpose for which they were bred. He trusted that we would only be breeding from correct, proven working bitches who had good hips and tempraments. He has aways been very supportive of his "English Friends" and has influenced many of the younger German breeders to also extend the hand of friendship to us. I hope that we will always justify their faith in us.
The breed master whose stud dog I have used, help me find my bitch when i imported her, he knows the kennel and her history, I wasn't allowed to have her unless I worked her, he was happy for me to use her as her temperament and conformation is sound and that she works, he understands the test system here is different.
UK bred longhairs, even if their parentage is from VDH registered stock, cannot run in prufungs unless their sire has been scored in prufungs and graded at a breed show.Neither Konan nor Arthur were entered in prufungs so their UK progeny cannot be entered for JGHV testing.They can be graded at a breed show but only if the committee agrees.
If a UK bitch wants to use a German stud dog she must be proved she is capable of hunting, can swim and is not gunshy or hard mouthed. A UK field trial award is not sufficient proof of working ability.
Unlike the more established ones the longhair remains highly protected so introduces restrictions not applicable to other hunting breeds.
It is far easier for Nancy to return to Germany for gradings then she can be registered in Germany as a Langhaarigen Deutschen Vorstehhund. If she is mated to a DLV stud dog her UK bred progeny can be entered in their stud book.
The DVL will not allow a continous use of their stud dogs if UK owners are not prepared to prove they are breeding to original breed type and requirement.
That's all v interesting. langhaar, how would it be proved that the UK bitch who wants to use a German stud dog can hunt, swim and is not gunshy or hard mouthed? Would they go out with the owner in Germany and watch the dog at work before they allowed the breeding?
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She had asked me about the LMCs Natural Aptitude Test, so I started explaining the tracking section - "Oh I don't think my dogs could do that, they are air scenting dogs" I was very nearly speechless 
Its a good job she didn't go to the recent Nat Apt as one of the judges was a lady from Germany whose family breed GMs and DLs