its very interesting indeed. Nice to see some of the clubs are supportive of the breed programs here despite the qualification issues.
I'd really like to have at some point an exchange program so that we could improve not just our dogs but also our training and working knowledge, there are so few people who have the opportunity to go to germany to learn and to qualify their dogs but I know several who would jump at the chance to have that indepth experience. I wonder how feasible it would be to arrange it?? _________________ These are my personal opinions and do not represent in any way the views of the WCGB.
That's all v interesting. langhaar, how would it be proved that the UK bitch who wants to use a German stud dog can hunt, swim and is not gunshy or hard mouthed? Would they go out with the owner in Germany and watch the dog at work before they allowed the breeding?
Yes the bitch must be seen to be profficient in Germany.
We have invited the breeder of Nancy to come over to shoot in the UK in November.He is a Club Langhaar committee member, prufung judge and proffesional dog trainer. This may create a window of opportunity for him to explain what and why they do what they do in Germany to those who are interested. I haven't discussed this him but who knows, he may be willing.
The Deutsch Langhaar Verband held a special meeting for non German breeders. Their concern was breed type would be permanently altered in those countries who use this breed for competitive field trials and have no regulated breeding requirements. Protection in type is necessary for them to procure non German bloodlines in the future.
An international breeding committee will only accept breeders with FCI registered stock. This protects this breed standard and disregards those which have been re-written by the country of importation ie the UK. FCI registration is also the main requirement for JGHV testing. In countries outside of the FCI who have no regulated breeding requirements by their KC will only be given access to German stud dogs by special permission. Allowing exportation of puppies to non FCI counties will remain at the discretion of the breeder. _________________ Home of pure German Longhairs ,Ch HV's and Ch GSP's.
Could I cross post this langhaar? I think there are some interesting points to be thought of within other breeds _________________ Guy; Ellie Topaz Catja. http://www.epagneulbreton.org.uk
This pertains to the Deutsch Langhaar Verband but no problem Guy. Interesting this week a UK bitch not owned but bred by ourselves was refused permission to use a German Deckruden. _________________ Home of pure German Longhairs ,Ch HV's and Ch GSP's.
Many thanks - I appreciate it is a Langhaar thing at the moment - but I can see a scenario where the thinking and resolve behind the decision is taken up by other breeds. _________________ Guy; Ellie Topaz Catja. http://www.epagneulbreton.org.uk
I think so too Guy, our lack of testing and breeding programmes will also affect importations from Scandinavia as Sweden, Finland , Denmarkand Norway had representatives at this meeting. The UK was not invited as we are not members of the FCI.
All our UK bred breeding stock will now be dual registered with the Irish KC but testing for natural aptitude, breeding to type and compulsary health screening acceptability by the DLV in UK bred dogs remains unclear.
Uk field results in their opinion, are regarded as meritus but only in field skills. Tracking and prolonged swimming are not tested over here. These skills, in their opinion are essential and must be protected to preserve breed characteristics.
I was asked to JGHV test in the UK because they don't want this breed to become just another pointing breed in the rest of the world. _________________ Home of pure German Longhairs ,Ch HV's and Ch GSP's.
The German CBV - Club Bretonische Vorstehunde German Brittany Club test their dogs and publish all the results in the club magazine. This becomes a most useful document for breeders to see how their puppies have turned out and also to aid breeding choices.
Will it be possible for a breed club in the UK to operate to the direction / strictures of a breed home country club? From memory the KC does not allow UK clubs to be under the influence of other bodies than itself. _________________ Guy; Ellie Topaz Catja. http://www.epagneulbreton.org.uk
From memory the KC does not allow UK clubs to be under the influence of other bodies than itself.
UK KC registered breed clubs by their definition accept the rules of this Club
There is no legal reasons why clubs or dogs cannot be registered with the FCI, the KC is only a private club and we abide by its rules when we sign their entry forms. Most of my dogs are dual registered so can enter FCI and KC events.
The KC has no influence on events held outside their rules and regulations such as spring pointing tests, unclassified classes at working tests ,natural aptitude tests and tests of work organised by individuals.
_________________ Home of pure German Longhairs ,Ch HV's and Ch GSP's.
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