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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sharon

It is the moving chips that worry me. You may know where they are but if one of your dogs was stolen and later found and scanned, unless the vet scans in the right place, it will be assumed that he is not chipped.  Even if you contact everyone possible and tell them where his chip is, the chances are that in a months time nobody will remember about it and not all rescue kennels seem to contact the breed rescue.  

How far have the chips moved?

I have heard of tattoos becoming smudged but surely (or maybe not!) any dog found with a smudged tattoo would be reported to the regsitry anyway and maybe a partial reading would be enough to identify the dog.

There seem to be problems with both options.  I think a tattoo would be harder for a vet/dog warden to miss but if they routinely smudge, and as a result are not reported - not much use!
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Breed: Brittany, GWP

PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jackie, if the tattoo is done properly by a registered operator they don't smudge - the pups are held (cuddled ) till the ink dries.  Bill Orzel did mine for me and they are all perfect.  I saw one of my little lads at SKC and his number is very legible at 9 months(and he's done a lot of growing since 6 weeks old)  David Bissett is close to you I think - have a look, contact them and discuss it with them.  As I said before we can't dock so don't have to have them chipped.  There's a special deal for breeders.
http://www.dog-register.co.uk/breeders/index.html
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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jackie

One of them has moved to the front/side of the shoulder so if the "front end" was scanned it is picked up.  The worse one is just above the front of the elbow where the body and leg meet (lovely description) so that might not be so easily picked up on a general scan.

Annie

You cannot categorically say that providing the tattoo's are done by a registered operator they don't smudge - the two I'm talking about were litter brother and sister done by the same person.  I've also seen others where you cannot decipher what the characters are.

Unfortunately neither method is as foolproof as we would like  Sad  Sad
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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You would have thought by now that with all the eye testing thats going on in the dog world someone would have put one and one together and developed a retinal scanner for dogs for id purposes.....their eyes dont move....unless theres food involved Idea  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps so, but my first Brittany was tattooed at 6 weeks by Stan Smith, who brought the Breed into the UK in 1982.  He was awaited fro almost 2 years, his name was Brett (Dorvalstan Vitalis of Aberdon).  He was 15 when he died and his tattoo was clearly legible at that point - PR 843 - Puk (des Pigenettes) x Rolline (de St Tugen), year born 1984, 3rd pup born.  

I agree neither method is infallible but I personally would prefer an external wound than an internal one with a risk to internal organs.  Having said that all my adult dogs have chips and a collar and tag to say so, but were done at 15 months and (almost) fully grown, so less chance of migration of the chip.  I guess I'm just soft and transfer all this into human terms.
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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

munstyman wrote:
You would have thought by now that with all the eye testing thats going on in the dog world someone would have put one and one together and developed a retinal scanner for dogs for id purposes.....their eyes dont move....unless theres food involved Idea  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing
Peter

What a brilliant idea!  Maybe it's the cost - aren't they quite expensive machines?
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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eye D ( Copyright Me Laughing  Laughing )
Both eye scanner and data base technology is already in use for us so you would think that a mass use product would bring the price down.
I really must get out more....and work Rolling Eyes  it stopped raining half an hour ago Exclamation  Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My spaniel's chip has moved down to her shoulder.  A vet friend said that it has been normal for them to move but they are better now.  No idea how true that is.  She did say that if she ever had any stray dogs in, she always checked the shoulder with the scanner.

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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

munstyman wrote:
Eye D ( Copyright Me Laughing  Laughing )
Both eye scanner and data base technology is already in use for us so you would think that a mass use product would bring the price down.
I really must get out more....and work Rolling Eyes  it stopped raining half an hour ago Exclamation  Laughing
Peter


Fantastic idea Peter and just think everyone would have to take their dogs initially somewhere to get "logged" onto the database and they could also automatically have their dogs eye tested at the same time.

Now where can we get the funding for this......  Laughing  Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The BIG Lottery fund? surely they'd help!



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