A previous Field Trial Secretary once said to me 'I don't care if they have 6 legs and 2 heads so long as they can work' I think that represents an attitude that would be difficult to change. _________________ Aberdon HPR's. Good-looking AND Intelligent.
If a dog can be dismissed - ie not placed out of four one week and a few weeks later be given green stars then I have to suspect that not all ring judges know what they are looking at. _________________ Guy; Ellie Topaz Catja. http://www.epagneulbreton.org.uk
You are absolutely right on that score, Guy! I have said this for many years. However, with-holding gives a judge power, and a 'name' - I wonder if that would influence any decision? _________________ Aberdon HPR's. Good-looking AND Intelligent.
I would like to see FT seminars - I don't believe just 'watching' will inform anyone who is not aware of what they are looking at.
How about several breeds putting on a 'hunting seminar' with suitable dogs to hand and suitable commentators who can explain why a particular dog is working as it is and to draw attention to the particular points of its habit - head carriage springs to mind as one thing.
To explain how back length or shoulder lay back or upper arm length or chest shape is why it is and how it affects how the dog hunts.
One could go as far as bring champion show dogs to work the ground alongside, not suggesting to hunt alongside- that would b e unfair - so the differences could be seen in the field. Might be harsh on some of the 'split' breeds. _________________ Guy; Ellie Topaz Catja. http://www.epagneulbreton.org.uk
Di Arrowsmith did a super one a few weeks back at Eskmills - but with a photo presentation, not outside in real life. That would be good - I'd go to that even though I've watched a few when John was taking part.
Bring it up with John A and we can discuss at next meeting _________________ Aberdon HPR's. Good-looking AND Intelligent.
I would like to see FT seminars - I don't believe just 'watching' will inform anyone who is not aware of what they are looking at.
How about several breeds putting on a 'hunting seminar' with suitable dogs to hand and suitable commentators who can explain why a particular dog is working as it is and to draw attention to the particular points of its habit - head carriage springs to mind as one thing.
To explain how back length or shoulder lay back or upper arm length or chest shape is why it is and how it affects how the dog hunts.
One could go as far as bring champion show dogs to work the ground alongside, not suggesting to hunt alongside- that would b e unfair - so the differences could be seen in the field. Might be harsh on some of the 'split' breeds.
Guy I've said all along that you will need someone to walk with these judges to explain what a dog is doing, what maybe he should be doing and explaining what went wrong when it did - they should not just be left alone as they will go home at the end of the day knowing very little as to "why".
The seminar is a good idea but I think it would certainly would need all the breed clubs input which would ensure every breed was covered and it wouldn't then be a huge job for just one club. Can I forward your suggestion and email details to someone I know who is writing a general article in Dog World in response to this notification? From our discussions yesterday she seems to have the same views that we have here - pretty good idea but needs some tweaking _________________ Sharon Pinkerton
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I would like to see FT seminars - I don't believe just 'watching' will inform anyone who is not aware of what they are looking at.
How about several breeds putting on a 'hunting seminar' with suitable dogs to hand and suitable commentators who can explain why a particular dog is working as it is and to draw attention to the particular points of its habit - head carriage springs to mind as one thing.
To explain how back length or shoulder lay back or upper arm length or chest shape is why it is and how it affects how the dog hunts.
One could go as far as bring champion show dogs to work the ground alongside, not suggesting to hunt alongside- that would b e unfair - so the differences could be seen in the field. Might be harsh on some of the 'split' breeds.
if a judge needs to see a dog working to realise why a dog is built like it is he must not be a judge of working dogs.if he is just judging to the "standard" without knowing why then a trained monkey could do the job and probably judge the correct end of the lead !
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