I no longer have a shot gun certificate but I had a letter from the shoot captain, letters from the puppy people saying they intend to work and my puppy contract included the fact that the puppies had been sold to homes as a working gundog.
We've changed our vet as our long standing vets (for over 30 years) were not interested in docking and we've found a vet more than happy to dock providing you have the paperwork as above.
As for the tail damage on our pups - only one of those is actually working. The majority of the damage so far has been around the house/garden/exercising generally. _________________ Sharon Pinkerton
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Owner & breeder of Field Trial 1st prize winners
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One thing that is bugging me is the vets that do dock who are adding extra requirements over and above the AWB.
bareve wrote:
weima wrote:
Mike wrote:
One thing that is bugging me is the vets that do dock who are adding extra requirements over and above the AWB.
Yes I meant to ask Mike what did this mean?
What I mean is this:
weima wrote:
If you have a litter of pups even if you don't work your dogs all you need is a letter from a perspective owner stating they intend to work the puppy. I know of a few people in Weimaraner who don't work their dogs but got letters from the owners & the vet docked the pups.
Vets are asking for letters from future owners yet the AWB and the SI don't have this requirement. They have a requirement for the owner to provide the a statement stating:
Quote:
3. I, [INSERT NAME], confirm that:
I am [authorised to represent]* the owner of the dog whose tail is to be docked on [INSERT DATE] by the veterinary surgeon signing the certificate in paragraph 1 above.
I confirm that the dam of the dog is of one or more of the types specified in paragraph 6.
I confirm that the dog was born on [INSERT DATE].
I confirm that it is intended that the dog be:
used for work in connection with an activity specified in paragraph 5.*
sold for use in work in connection with an activity specified in paragraph 5.*
(*delete whichever is inapplicable)
I confirm that to the best of my knowledge and belief the evidence I am showing to obtain this certificate is true and accurate.
I am aware that it is an offence knowingly to give false information to a veterinary surgeon in connection with the giving of a certificate for the purposes of section 6 of the Animal Welfare Act 2006.
Signature of owner of the dog or of the person authorised to represent him:
Name
Address
Obviously at the time of docking the owner is the breeder and the intention is of the SI is only that the dog is likely to be used in a working role, DEFRA fully accept that some dogs that are docked will go to non-working homes and as far as they are concerned the only requirement beyond that is that they aren't shown at shows that the public pay to enter. Now I admit it is not difficult to generate a number of letters to cover all the pup but fundamentally it isn't a requirement of the statutory instrument. I only have a bee in my bonnet about it currently because one of our bitch owners is doing the ground work for a litter at the moment and coming up against this from her vet. I am going to drop DEFRA a line and see if they have changed there advice on this matter. _________________ Fi 1 year old Weimaraner
Grace Weimaraner. Gone but not forgotten.
Harley Weimaraner. Much loved and sorely missed.
Disappointed with Des's comments...... Great if there is such a short tail available in HPR's to breed to and thereby eventually reduce the tail length and when will people stop relating HPR's to the type of work and working attitude of "Pointers"
Where did I say anything about a short tail?
Now that a lot more dogs will not be docked there are bound to be lines that have tails that will be predisposed to damage. Obviously, I would have thought, breeders will favour dogs from lines that aren't prone to damage in an attempt to lessen the possible damage to their pups sterns.
I have only ever seen one dog that wasn't docked and had tail damage. He was my own Prince of Darkness and he didn't do it working he did it in the run behind the garage where one side of the run was the red brick gable end of the garage. All the other dogs that I have seen with tail damage were spaniels of one sort or another and had alrerady been docked. What am I supposed to draw from that? That some people don't know how to dock?
The vet will dock but has asked for letters from all the pups future owners stating that they will be worked. As only two are currently spoken for that will be tricky to achieve! What you are outlining (document from the keeper) is exactly how I expect the system to work and how the statutory instrument is worded. Yes the bitch is worked.
What I don't understand is why a vet that is willing to dock is adding requirements over and above those required by law. _________________ Fi 1 year old Weimaraner
Grace Weimaraner. Gone but not forgotten.
Harley Weimaraner. Much loved and sorely missed.
A lot of vets still don't understand the requirements that's why Some will only dock the amount of pups that letters are provided for not the whole litter so at 3 days old you have to decide which pups are suitable for working. _________________ Claire Minstergate Weimaraners
Well if anyone can point me in the direction of a vet that will take letters from the owners and me I'd be grateful, I did enquire but was asked for more than that unfortunately.
Talked to the owner of the dog last night, it's a shame. He's having to ask friends not to call, because Finn is wagging when people come in and he's hurting himself. Tales of cars and houses covered in blood, dreading coming down the stairs, knowing that the dog is going to be ecstatic to see him and he's going to wag and get hurt quite sad really.
Thanks everyone for posting, it's really good to hear all the different experiences and situations where you all are.
Nina
Update, just called my vet, explained the situation, offered letters for every pup, and offered to pay for microchip and certification, the receptionist was sympathetic, the vet clearly in the beckground gave a resounding 'no'. wouldn't even point me in the direction of someone that could help.
You need to ask BASC to put you in touch with a vet who will dock near you failing that you may have to travel to a vet _________________ Claire Minstergate Weimaraners
You need to ask BASC to put you in touch with a vet who will dock near you failing that you may have to travel to a vet
And that's one of the worst things about this stupid law - trailing newborns around the country to get heir tails docked! _________________ Aberdon HPR's. Good-looking AND Intelligent.
Thanks Claire, I'll try ringing Basc today for advice.
I am in a right nark now as I just rang the Royal college who lied to me on the telephone and stated that Weimaraners were not a working dockable breed and that docking is unethical whatever the law says. Oh if only I could swear online!! I actually thought a professional body could behave professionally, never mind, I can be a bit dim like that sometimes
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Some will only dock the amount of pups that letters are provided for not the whole litter so at 3 days old you have to decide which pups are suitable for working. 
quite sad really.
