It's one third Weim, one third Cesky Fousek, one third German Wirehaired POinter. Developed in the 1950s and currently unable to be shown in the UK, although can be registered and entered in working events. _________________ Slate and Grey
O.K. I'll take a stab at it. Here is my list. I've seen them all except for the Larzac Spaniel...but I'm working on it! Oh, and the Braque Dupuis. It went the way of the Dodo 50 years ago.
Germay:
German Long Haired Pointer
Large Munsterlander
Small Munsterlander
Pudelpointer
Deutsch Stichelhaar (German roughhaired pointer)
Weimaraner (shorthaired and longhaired)
GSP/Deutsch Kurzhaar (some would argue that they are two different breeds)
German Wire Haired Pointer/Deutsch-Drahthaar (some would argue that they are two different breeds)
Czech Republic:
Cesky Fousek
Italy:
Spinone
Bracco Italiano
France:
Brittany (Epagneul Breton or American Brittany)
Picardy Spaniel
Blue Picardy Spaniel
Pont Audemer Spaniel
French Spaniel
St. Ususge Spaniel
Larzac Spaniel (extinct?)
Braque d'Auvergne
Braque Francais (Large or Gascony type and Small or Pyrenees type)
Braque du Burbonnais
Braque St-Germain
Braque de l'Ariege
Braque Dupuis (extinct)
Korthals Griffon (wirehaired pointing griffon) *
* developed in Germany and France by a Dutchman, the breed's official home is now France)
Slovakia
Slovakian Rough Haired Pointer ( Slovensky Hrubosrsty Stavac (Ohar) )
The Netherlands:
Drent Partridge Dog
Stabyhound*
*may not really belong in FCI group 7 "pointing dogs". I have yet to find a single person/breeder that uses one as an HPR
Denmark:
Old Danish Pointer
Hertha Pointer*
*not really an HPR breed. Considered to be a colour variant by some of the Pointer.
Spain:
Spanish Double-nosed Pointer (Pachon Navarro)
Spanish Pointer (Perdiguero de Burgos)
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why would the gsp and the deutche kurzhaar be seen as two different breeds??? The early weimaraner records are held in the same diaries as the kurzhaar so be interesting to know. _________________ These are my personal opinions and do not represent in any way the views of the WCGB.
In the US, the folk who have the Deutsch-Drahthaar have placed working as their highest priority, and test all breeding stock before breeding, I think they also have conformation assessments, but these are not competitive. They have their own breed registry. They didn't want the breed to become "ruined" by the show world or the working ability to be bred out of them, so set up their own breed registry. That's what I've gathered any way...?
"Isn't a Drahthaar just what they call German Wirehaired Pointers to try to impress people?
Well, it does happen, but no, in reality the Drahthaar is a separate breed from their American derivative, the German Wirehaired Pointer. The Drahthaar is bred to a strict set of breed standards, which require testing in both ability and conformation before the dogs are allowed to be bred. The GWP, as registered by the AKC and the FDSB, don't have any controls on their breeding, so the breeds have begun to diverge, even though they are originally from the same stock. The most immediately noticable difference is in the coat- the Drahthaars tend to a more uniform, shorter coat, and are generally darker in color than are the GWPs.
Drahthaars are registered by the Verein Deutsch-Drahthaar. Any dog from a registry such as the AKC or FDSB is a German Wirehaired Pointer, no matter what the guy is trying to sell you. Ask, and if they aren't VDD pups, they aren't really Drahthaars. Every month I see ads in Gun Dog for 'Hunting Drahthaars' and so forth, and they aren't VDD pups. Those are the people who are misusing the name in an effort to impress the uninformed." _________________ Slate and Grey
Kurzhaar in german just means shorthaired,
Drahthaar in german just means wire haired,
In the early breed registers all the breeds that were short were put in one diary and the wire haired in another. I haven't found a longhaired diary yet though so I'd be interested to know if they did one? _________________ These are my personal opinions and do not represent in any way the views of the WCGB.
I know of a Staby being used as a HPR, although not too succesful. In fact, I think they gave up after that one trial. _________________ www.langhaarweimaraner.nl
Hi Mike, maybe you'd better add the breed I saw for the first time last Saturday. THE SPANISH WATER DOG. They are not much bigger than a Brittany and if what I am told is true our K.C. has included them among the H.P.R. breeds because SOME of them point. They all look much the same but some bother could come because depending on which part of Spain they came from some were bred as general purpose gundogs and some were bred as sheep and goat herders. They are apparently VERY good in water - the labradors of the H.P.R. world
They need to be kept clipped but they look very useful to me, the owner of the dog I looked at says they work a bit like spaniels but are very fast. I could believe that, the breed seems to be doing well in agility and flyball competitions.
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