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langhaar · Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 10:19 pm Post subject:

They were convicted for using an immitation firearm in an area where the public have access. If it was on private land with the owners consent there would have been no prosecution.

seadog · Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:11 am Post subject:

Ok . So what I gather is , if you do not have access to private land your s o l for dog training and maybe even hunting .

langhaar · Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:27 am Post subject:

This successfull prosecution has set a UK precedent as to where a starting pistol can be used. I assume those used for sporting events with public spectators are covered under their public liability insurance and the police have been informed of their use.
As for gundog training clubs etc they will have to find out if the land they use for training has public access. if they wish to fire a pistol it must not be in an area where the public can walk. I presume they would now have to check with the local police. The defence of those unfortunate ladies was they had permission of the landowner but the prosecution succeeded because they were training their dogs and firing their pistol on a public footpath.
A man recently " ratting " with an air gun was suddenly surrounded by a battalion of armed police. He was handcuffed and held on the ground. After checking his rifle he was released. His polite protests of being within the law were ignored and they nearly prosecuted him for violent behavior.

The dummy launcher is not an immitation pistol so I presume this can be used? If anyone can supply accurate information it would be helpfull.

As for support by the BASC most subscribers I know are not renewing their subscriptions and changing to the NGA instead.
With only 47% of its members being dog owners and HPR's being so poorly represented by this organisation this is why the docking legislation is in such a mess but where were our breed clubs on this issue? Too little too late!

weima · Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:46 pm Post subject:

tashap · Joined: 29 Jun 2006 Posts: 688 **Breed:**

Do you mean the NGO?

I have BASC membership and so far the only thing I have used it for is the insurance policy that goes with membership.

I don't understand why they are hitting these users so hard when getting a gun in any town centre is relatively easy. My partner works for a club in Brighton and he's had a gun pulled on him a few times by Albanians who have moved into the area and are treating it like a war zone threatening clubs and door heads who employ someone they don't approve of, yet when the police are called they don't take it seriously... these are the sort of people that they should be prosecuting and sending home not people training their dogs, the most a starter pistol can do is damage your eye if you look down the barrel (have seen this first hand) but how many idiots do that???

langhaar · Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:16 pm Post subject:

Well said Tashap it's the usual policy of targeting only the easy soft options. My sympathy goes to these ladies, this should not have been handled in such a draconian way. If their gender had been male and came from Albania, Rumania, Somalia etc I'm sure the outcome would have been different.
I suppose if Joe Public saw you firing a pistol they would call 999 who would send out the Special Arms Squad whenever firearms are involved so one must look at both points of view but starting pistols and their use has never been clarified.
The National Gamekeepers Assoc takes non-keepering members and has insurance cover in the field for it's members.

langhaar · Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:19 pm Post subject:

Is it org or assoc ? whatever, their policies seem more for the grass roots of shooting and we will be using their services in the future instead of the BASC.

tashap · Joined: 29 Jun 2006 Posts: 688 **Breed:**

Well I'm happy to change membership the NGO are a nice bunch and their library is very useful. Anyone know what their insurance policy covers??

weima · Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:46 pm Post subject:

Haven't really looked into the NGO but don't you have to be a gamekeeper to become a member?

I would be happy to swap from BASC to NGO if I can & their insurance is the same or better.

Mike · Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:48 pm Post subject:

Have asked for details from the NGO (I think I need insurance for the first Working Hprs shot over day so have asked for a copy of the wording)
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