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windem bang · Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:32 pm Post subject:

I had a friend 25-30 years ago who had a wirehair dachshund that was rubbish in the showring. He pinched this bitch from his show daft wife and she had a great life out with us doing all sorts of hunting. She often worked as a spaniel in the gorse bushes pushing out rabbits for us to shoot. One of my labs did the retrieving though, the daksy had a mouth an alligator would have envied ! That bitch was a real character, I wonder if she was a throwback or if the work/show divide just wasn't so advanced then ?

Bill T.

Bareve · Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:07 am Post subject:

Lovely pictures Chris Smile

From the "show" Dach's I've seen the Standard Wire's seem to be the most steady im temperament whereas the Mini can be flakey and spooky. Can't see many of the show bred stuff having the temperament to hunt under control.

Back in the US my friend has always had Standard Wirehairs living alongside her GWP's and all of her dogs have gone on to win titles in both the show and field. I know the first time I went to visit her "Raggedy Anne" was always going to ground on her property and the kids were sent out to find her and bring her back. Ultimately her keeness was her downfall as she disappeared one day - late afternoon - and was never found or came back - coyotes were blamed Crying or Very sad

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Helen · Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:53 am Post subject:

Great pics Chris.

Not a wire but a smooth on a shoot. She belonged to one of the guns daughters and she brought her along for the ride I think. Hare got up, dachsie shot off after the scent and they had hell of a job rounding her up! No good at retrieving though as she couldn't carry a pheasant, she would just chew on them lol.

Helen

wildman · Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:09 pm Post subject:

Well it seems like everyone has had a dachsie/teckel experience in the field, I must say I am impressed Smile

In the teckel versus dachsie debate I couldn't possibly comment as they are one and the same with minor variations, some wire haired dachshund lines are fortified with european 'teckels', though said dogs have never seen a fox or deer in their puff.
What I would say is it depends a lot on what you consider legitimate 'work'. Whilst I sometimes take the small teckels on informal shoot days as impromptu beaters, (they spend most of their time chasing hares) I would never consider taking them to a real shoot, that would be like putting the fox in the proverbial hen house.
a)They would be uncontrollable when faced with so much prey (I mean game).
b)They hunt a line and don't come back.
c)They might not be as selective on which holes they enter when dad is not at hand to guide them.

It is normal for a teckel to specialise in either:
a)Driving for hares, foxes and deer. (Pheasants should be ignored)
b)Blood Tracking - generally in a line. (Pheasants should be ignored)
c)Underground work flushing foxes. (Taken to the correct hole on a lead)

So you can see I don't think teckels are optimal beating dogs, though it probably depends upon what they are used to.

I notice that a few of you have Border Terriers, now these dogs can be used for almost anything if you get the right strain. I've attached a couple of photos of 'Billy' a Border I owned over twenty years ago we used him for virtually everything including 'normal' gundog duties. He really was an all rounder but was unfortunately mistaken for a fox and shot when he was only five years old. I tried a couple after that but they weren't the same.
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Benreeda · Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:43 pm Post subject:

My friend was beside the river with four of her GWP and a couple of teckels. One of them was a very small pup. Her sister was filming a stick being thrown across the river and the dogs going after it. the pup was going about quite safely till it decided to look at the water. What the person taking the movie could see was this pup fall into the river and was getting swept towards my friend. She was calling out and luckily my friend realised what had happened and scooped the pup up as it was swept past her. The pup shook itself and ran around not a bit bothered. It looks so amusing on film but wouldn't have been had the pup not been rescued. Teckels are tough little dogs!

Helen S · Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject:

My mother picked up a book in a jumble sale - a large hardback book, written and illustrated by a Dutchman. It is about his GWPs and Teckel and the adventures the Teckel gets into, it makes the GWP sound like an angel by comparison! It is a charming book with beautiful drawings - I will try to find out what it is called.

Helen S