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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:56 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

'The Plan' may be having some effect. Bonni is sitting (when at distance) but not setting in response to the jealousy trigger.  She does set after a couple commands.
Opportunities to use 'The Plan' have been limited due to the still weather. This has resulted in more 'bumps' than good point/flush events, and to avoid rewarding a bump I do not give any reward when the dogs bump and sit. I wait a few moments and then (unless they 'tell' me there is still game there), call to heel and start again.
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In my enthusiasm with Poppy, my first pointing dog, I made her 'sticky'.
Today was a rare occasion when Bonni backed Poppys point. They were about 30 yards apart. I was so surprised she did not rush up and point next to 'Auntyu Poppy'!
I got to Poppy and quietly urged her forward using 'discreet' hand signals. Bonni still held, but when it came to the' silent' whistle, Bonni had the excuse she needed and the cock was duly flushed.
I think I am going to need a helper with this one . Its no great problem in the field ---the dogs do the job, but it definitely lacks finesse!
Unless of course anyone has a suggestion on how I can correct this single handed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxWFyqImzW8

If you have got nothing better to do, there is also a short YouTube clip (@The Willows 3) taken a couple of days ago.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The best option would to work on `unsticking' poppy. The other option, which I would not recommend without first hand knowledge of your dogs temperament, would be to control Bonni with a line. The reason I would be wary is that it can induce giving tongue out of frustration in bonni if poppy needs excessive encouragement to break her point. It could also unsteady bonni if your approach to her to attach a line is used too often.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the reply Munstman. My thoughts were to use a helper with a lead for Bonni, but I think you are right.....she is going to get awfully hacked off with that! She is quite a precocious madam at times.

I have been trying to 'unsticky' Poppy for a couple of years.  Sometimes we get a result, but I think it is a lost cause and I am resigned to being grateful that she finds game, sticks on the point and sits to the flush without fail or attention.
Poppy treats Bonni as her own pup and doesn't seem to worry about 'her' point being stolen.
So its not all bad for my practical working needs!
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I haven't done much in the photography line for the last few days. I have been working harder on stickiness (Poppy) and it has been to darned cold too take the gloves off! Poppy is also on sick parade with possible meningitis.

However, today, with the wind on Bonni's left side (a bitter, lazy easterly) she went on a real gulper of a point just upstream of 'The Willow's. (which can be seen early on in the right of the frame).
I couldn't see what she was pointing in the short gap between her and the river. So, thinking it was teal hiding up under the bank (we have had several hundred drop in since the weather changed) I decided to get the phone camera working. Unusually, Bonni appeared sticky and reluctant to flush, it was not until (thanks Munsty) that I went forward that she 'went in'.

It was a cock pheasant, and from its behaviour I think it may have been a 'hobbler' . ( see video)
Now, if it was injured, that may account for Bonni being a bit 'sticky'----unsure of what to do to flush or catch? She definitely tried to catch it and she certainly ran after it until it was well in flight.  
That left me in a muddle. She did drop (eventually) , but if that was a wounded bird, she had done no wrong? Or did she run in?
In the end I just gave her a 'Good girl' and told them to 'hunt on'. She had after all dropped.
But if the pheasant wasn't wounded, had she committed sin?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jipgY32EoME&feature=youtu.be
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hard to say, it did not look right ( pheasant ), but once airborne  it was pretty strong, so if it was carrying an injury it would be in the leg department. It would also account for a `sticky point' as it would have smelt different.
Call it a positive flush, and don't dwell on it. If your not shooting over her I would be grateful that she didn't catch it. There are more downsides in that situation than a possible missing of a `strong runner'  Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poppy had four weeks on sick parade.  She was running a temperature and failed to respond to the first course of antibiotics. She is back on track now, and I am pleased to report that Munstyman's advice regarding Poppy being sticky is having quite a dramatic effect. I wouldn't say she is 'cured' but she definitely 'goes in'  when sen,t far more often than she did a few months ago.
So thanks again Munsty, a result!
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The landowner allows the small community to walk over what I am allowed also to use as the training ground. This keeps the majority of the estate free from disturbance during the breeding season. Several ground nesting birds do seem to go undetected by dogs and breed successfully. Basically they take their chance, or move onto the rest of the estate.

The ground has three resident bachelor pheasants. They can be relied upon, but are apt to 'leg i't rather than sit tight for a point. I suspect as the cover grows, things will improve.  The video clip I took this afternoon illustrates this perfectly. But what was really pleasing was that Bonni dropped to flush without a prompt--and at a fair distance! She is good at the drop when I am with in a few yards but usually needs a reminder when further out.

More detail attached to the video below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97WTJKPPzyM&feature=youtu.be


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